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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:37 pm

No use crying over spilt milk. Sad

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Post  Atlas on Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:13 pm

I suspect most don't realise the milk has been spilt and even more don't care. We appear to lurch along like Richard 111s right leg hoping that the sun will keep shining and we don't get ripped off too frequently. The people get the governments they deserve. Ain't that a fact. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:07 am

In our society divided in so many ways, can't expect agreement on much, except maybe to agree on democracy. We never got much useful out of being in the E.U., I don't think we will miss it much. If European systems such as education and so on are better than ours, we don't need to be in the E.U. to copy, adapt, and set up similar systems.

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Post  Atlas on Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:31 pm

A European Parliament was never a bad idea had it been left at that with a very limited number of 'members' in equal number from each country having a 'final' say in the law and procedures. But the way it was constituted was anything but democratic and the way it has been 'hurled' together to increase its size and influence nothing short of madness. More haste less speed. Marry in haste repent at leisure. Seems intelligent people haven't learned the basics??????Rolling Eyes As for copying - of course. Always and providing we have the right people at the top who can see the wood for the trees.Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Question Question Wink Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:18 pm

Brave words now, but can you hold your nerve through the Marmite crisis? We will see.

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Post  Atlas on Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:26 pm

It's the already well-heeled and greedy jumping on the bandwagon to make yet bigger and bigger profits. Brexit is the ideal candidate of blame for everything from ship-building to the weather. It's the usual bull-shit coming from the 'elite' in order for them to remain at the top and climb ever higher.
This was the reason for the Brexit vote in the first place. The pig-troughers are paranoid about losing their troughs. Very Happy
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Post  Atlas on Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:08 pm

It would appear our Knight Errant in the guise of one Teresa has ridden her steed into the European's castle and shed her spurs at the recalcitrant Barons. Does this bode well I ask?Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:44 pm

What does "shed her spurs" mean, in this context?
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Post  Atlas on Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:59 pm

Told them she expects to be 'on' all further talks regarding the EU until such times as we leave officially in two years time etc. Otherwise you can sing for any more money -. Smile Smile
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:52 am

Nice of the Russians to do a celebratory sail-by down the Channel.

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Post  Atlas on Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:55 pm

Putin taking advantage of weak Western governments as the changes of administrations continues. The Northern Russian fleet is obsolete in modern day terms. None of them would last two minutes against Western or Asian fleets if it came to 'fisticuffs'. The Eastern Fleet has the most up to-date wessels and they are stationed on the Black Sea and Sevastapol. As a naval power Russia ranks about 4th if that. It's a lot of show about nothing. Russia will assist Assad to regain Syria whilst we continue ridding the Middle East of Isis. And so the sabre rattling goes into yet another cacophony of boisterous crap and the dance goes on. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Re: Britain leaving the E.U.

Post  cyfrifia on Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:45 pm

Turns out that Brexit vote thing wasn't so much a referendum, more a sort of advisory opinion poll.

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Post  johnb on Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:20 pm

Indeed, which considering the information provided by the Brexiteers on the cost of leaving is probably a good thing.
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:52 pm

But is making the process of leaving the E.U. as economically, socially and politically painful, divisive and uncertain for as many years as possible for everyone involved really the best course of action?

Are those who wish to do that hoping the majority who voted to leave will become bored and distracted, die off or emigrate as years go by?

Shocked It's a plan I suppose, but not a brilliant one.

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Post  Atlas on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:02 pm

You 'screw' with the people at your peril -. Too many are not part of your 'wonderful' world and haven't been for very many years. It's easy to be derisive from a position of relative comfort. Beware the ides of March -! Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:38 pm

As things turn out, there is much talk of, and expectation of the E.U. punishing the U.K. for leaving.

I hadn't fully understood that the E.U. is a sort of 'prison for the nations', where nations are expected to obey discipline, reform their characters and not attempt to escape. Will revenge squads be sent out to teach the escaping British a lesson they will not forget? Can we expect mass reprisal attacks on entire communities?

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Post  Atlas on Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:17 pm

Well now you know what you are 'really' dealing with. It wasn't until the Lisbon Treaty that any clause for 'leaving' was introduced at all. It was set up like the Mafia. Once you 'join' you don't 'leave' - other than in a wooden box. The originators thought that such an organisation couldn't ever be bad enough to want to leave it. What staggers the imagination is that they would think that 'power' could ever be sufficiently controlled ad infinitum without it getting beyond the 'control' of the controllers. History itself serves up sufficient information time and time again as to the course of 'super-states' which had they ever been successful would still be super-states today. None have come about and lasted peacefully, all have ultimately had to institute an over-all powerful central control and most have destroyed themselves from within through corruption and internecine warring. So - where does that leave us - and them -? They could be foolish and cut their noses off to spite their faces. Or - they could be foolish by natural cause as they number 27 and all have to agree - that's a joke. Or - they could settle for some small remuneration annually for 'associate' member for mutual arrangements. Personally I'm of the opinion that collectively they stand to loose badly if they turn stupid or intransigent and that we will ultimately gain over the next few decades as we look for other markets to service. Apparently we are wizards at the 'service' market and at world banking -. Ergo - we have the whip hand in the long run and we apparently know how to wield it. So bring it on M. Tusk or whatever your called. But beware the sleeping lion.Wink
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