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Post  teamplayer2 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:32 pm

Looks like a murder investigation is going on now. The police telling the elderly and vulnerable to becareful.
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Re: Murder in Milnrow

Post  southernbelle on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:34 pm

I know the man who was murdered, I would suggest that the vulnerable are a bit safer now.
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Post  teamplayer2 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:37 pm

Why?
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Post  southernbelle on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:42 pm

He was not a nice man. I am not going to elaborate further on an open forum. I do not say he deserved a violent end, but I bet there are one or two who aren`t sorry.
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Post  teamplayer2 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:46 pm

I would not know Southernbelle. See what happens when further news comes out.
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Post  Jeanie on Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:15 pm

At the end of the day it is a sad way to go for anyone let alone when you reach 84 and no-one deserves to be beaten ! what a violent world we are living in Sad
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed May 08, 2013 4:55 pm

teamplayer2 wrote:I would not know Southernbelle. See what happens when further news comes out.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/80161/man-jailed-for-life-after-murdering-vincent-kershaw

Quote "a pre-planned and savage attack"

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Post  teamplayer2 on Wed May 08, 2013 9:13 pm

Greed again playing a part. Though Southernbelle made a comment about the victim not being a nice man. Never understood why you made this comment Southernbelle.

The victim should not have died like this by the hands of a cruel and evil criminal.
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed May 08, 2013 9:56 pm

Michael Shorrock QC, defending, said of Fearon: "He had a pathological gambling habit which, sad to say, was a core factor in the build-up to this offence.”

A horrible murder, the victim lay dying for two days. Is gambling ruining people's lives more than it used to?

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Post  Dalelad on Wed May 08, 2013 10:28 pm

I guess it will be because it is far, far easier to do now.

TP - perhaps he wasn't a nice person?
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Post  Guest on Wed May 08, 2013 11:44 pm

teamplayer2 wrote:Greed again playing a part. Though Southernbelle made a comment about the victim not being a nice man. Never understood why you made this comment Southernbelle.


Southerbelle made it very clear before that she would not elaborate on an open forum.

I personally knew of the victim as a former, wealthy coal merchant, amongst his other interests, with a penchant for driving up-market sports cars, even in his latter years, a propensity for always carrying large wads of cash, thousands, round with him and a reputation for telling 'Tall Tales,' and being feisty...

The lines between hearsay, facts and fiction about the deceased's own history and character will likely remain blurred.

It sound like this was a violent, pre-meditated murder last year, but with the addictive offender being Smile 'brought to justice.'





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Post  cyfrifia on Thu May 09, 2013 12:06 pm

The idea that addictive gambling was involved was put forward by the defence lawyer, perhaps in an attempt at a mitigating 'excuse'.

If recent changes to gambling laws and regulations are really turning people into the sort of addicts that murder for cash, then the gambling legislation needs to be changed back again P.D.Q.

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Post  teamplayer2 on Thu May 09, 2013 4:40 pm

I do not know about that cyfrifia. Most murders are done just for gain. Addictive gambling is just added to a growing list of excuses.
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Re: Murder in Milnrow

Post  Hinch on Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 pm

I don't think most murders are done for gain. Most seem to be acts of rage, revenge or as a result of drink or drugs.
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Re: Murder in Milnrow

Post  Guest on Thu May 09, 2013 10:33 pm


Revenge is thought to be a leading motivation, although there’s belief that all murder motives come under 4 L’s: - lucre, lust, love and loathing

and variations of these themes of lucre, lust, love and loathing, ... like ….



Abandonment/Rejection - the killer feels unloved and either lashes out in anger or kills in an attempt to keep the loved one from leaving
Altruism - mercy killings, saving a victim from a worse fate, or from a perceived sinful life
Cover-up - destruction of evidence, silencing witnesses to crimes and foul play
Alcohol and drugs - chemically induced, sometimes temporary psychosis
Protection of self or others - someone kills an offender to protect the offender’s own victim.
Fatal Abuse - a habitual abuser loses control
Frustration/Anger - the "snap" syndrome
Greed - committed for personal gain
Escape - the killer feels an overwhelming need to get away (perhaps from an abusive relationship, or a hostage situation, but also perhaps from a situation in which the killer is a caregiver and feels like he or she has no other way out)
Fame/celebrity - the killer believes he or she will become famous because of his or her killing spree.
Hate/resentment Enough's enough!
Jealousy/rivalry - a motivation as old as Caine and Abel
Sexual property - the killer sees the victim as belonging to him/her
Unwanted Children


Question Which variation would you put gangland killings in then ? pale






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Re: Murder in Milnrow

Post  Atlas on Fri May 10, 2013 12:34 am

You forgot the most frequently used one - POWER.
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Re: Murder in Milnrow

Post  Guest on Fri May 10, 2013 10:16 am

Atlas wrote:You forgot the most frequently used one - POWER.

scratch Don't think I did Ray:

Revenge may be rooted in loss of personal power
and
greed can manifest itself as Lust for power


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Post  Hinch on Fri May 10, 2013 10:21 am

Sexual motives are often also about power. Sex and power relationships have always been difficult to unravel even for trained psychiatrists.

The dreadful events in Cleveland will no doubt prove to be case in point.
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Post  Hinch on Fri May 10, 2013 10:24 am

The Shipman case seems to have mainly been about power with the odd bit of personal gain thrown in although the gain bit seems to have been of an opportunistic side-issue nature and not the main motivation.
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Re: Murder in Milnrow

Post  cyfrifia on Fri May 10, 2013 11:49 am

Hinch wrote:Sexual motives are often also about power. Sex and power relationships have always been difficult to unravel even for trained psychiatrists.

The dreadful events in Cleveland will no doubt prove to be case in point.

Police in Cleveland are coming in for some criticism for not following up enough on missing persons and related information.

Many people go missing in Greater Manchester,
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/case-study-girl-walked-out-854047

This case has been listed as 'dormant', effectively closed? But, should cases like that be 'dormant'?

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Re: Murder in Milnrow

Post  Atlas on Sat May 11, 2013 12:57 am

Mojo Hill wrote:
Atlas wrote:You forgot the most frequently used one - POWER.

scratch Don't think I did Ray:

Revenge may be rooted in loss of personal power
and
greed can manifest itself as Lust for power


Yes MJH - I was looking at it as POWER being the MAIN motive with greed etc coming as a consequence.
But I take the point. Very Happy
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