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Post  Hinch on Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:23 am

i think it would be naive to think that the problem has just gone away. These people just find different, more low-key ways of operating.

I get the feeling that somehow the idea that young, vulnerable girls present a soft target for those who see them as have a low moral baseline. Always girls willing to be flattered by attention and a ready supply of 'free' vodka and drugs.

Simon Danczuk was on R4 yesterday expressing concern.
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Post  Guest on Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:02 am

also yesterday, 3 March 2013 THE SUNDAY TIMES: -
‘76 more’ grooming victims in Rochdale

‘An investigation in Rochdale has uncovered more than 70 alleged underage victims of Grooming, including two young men who say they were sexually abused in their mid-teens.

The inquiry was launched after the convictions last May of nine men of south Asian origin for their roles in a separate sex abuse ring operating in Rochdale and across Greater Manchester. The men were jailed at Liverpool Crown Court for a total of more than 70 years.

The new inquiry is understood to centre on suspicions about the activities of a group of mostly Pakistani men working mainly in the fast-food and taxi trades. No arrests have yet been made.

However, there is controversy over the handling of the investigation. To date, police are proceeding with six cases from a total of 42 potential victims that have been approached. It is understood a further 34 possible victims were deemed outside the scope.’



The Times has been widely credited by agencies and government committees with responsible investigative journalism about such Grooming, and police "spin" in response may be seen to fuel concerns that impunity festers on, and on ....





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Post  Hinch on Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:38 pm

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/78299/mp-calls-for-more-urgency-in-child-sex-abuse-inquiry
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Post  Guest on Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:25 pm

Extracts from the BBC News 3 March 2013

Call to boost Rochdale child sex abuse inquiry


Simon Danczuk fears the grooming investigation is losing momentum

An MP is calling on police to speed up its probe into child sex Grooming allegations in Greater Manchester.
Officers are carrying out criminal investigations into six cases while dealing with 42 alleged victims of sexual abuse in Rochdale.

Simon Danczuk, MP for Rochdale, said "whistle blowers" told him that there was "no urgency" in the investigation. But Greater Manchester Police said dealing with child abuse was a priority.

Mr Danczuk said: "People involved in the investigation have been coming to my office saying there is a sense that momentum is being lost.


I doubt any MP would so-openly claim his personal receipt of GMP “whistle blowing” concerns without genuine substance. All credit that he’s personally keeping this Grooming issue in the public’s conscience.

It sounds like silence or 'twirled' distractions have been successfully presented so far ‘for public consumption.'
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:13 am

A different but, increasingly and depressingly familiar and similar case in Keithley,

Judge Jonathan Rose said the men 'engaged in a course of conduct which has become increasingly and depressingly familiar in this country'.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10271512._Wicked__pair_get_36_years_for_raping_and_drugging_teenage_girls_in_Keighley

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Post  Hinch on Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:25 am

A particularly sad feature of this case is the intimidation of a female witness via phone calls from the prison where they were being kept on remand. Phone calls by those awaiting trial should be very rigourously monitored though the calls may have been made using a smuggled mobile.

I do have to say, that in cases involving the sexual grooming of children, remand in custody should be the norm with bail only being given in exceptional cases. This works in favour of both witnesses and the accused... at least in theory.Far too many of the reported arrests in Rochdale have seemed to result in bail being given and an almost interminable wait for the cases to come to trial.

Still too many of these cases coming forward. At least in this one, they got a reassuringly long sentence. Hopefully deportation may also be an option although the report does not indicate this.
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Post  Poppyanna555 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:02 pm

Potential groomers should never be considered for bail in my humble opinion. Reading the details in this particular case, these two offenders continued with their depraved acts whilst released on bail!

There are still 9 potential groomers who (as far as I am aware) have still not been brought to Crown Court over 12 months after their initial arrests and, a potential 10 more walking around my local streets that were arrested only last month.

All out on bail and free to continue their sordid acts, potentially intimidating witnesses and decimating more young lives before they've barely begun.

I've said it before and I will say it again, HAD this grooming been perpetrated against underage Muslim girls within their own communities at the hands of 'white' men....there would be hysteria, rioting and bodies on the streets!


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Post  Hinch on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:56 pm

Yes, it does make you wonder what would happen if gangs of white men targeted Muslim girls.

Hard to imagine a riot-free scenario.

Lessons would surely be learned.
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:08 pm

It is a bit surprising that there has not been much in the way of angry public reaction, and there predictably would have been if the situation was reversed. What does this tell us about our society ? The British are not too polite to riot, as we have seen, but perhaps motivated by rather different things?

Repatriation to country of origin, and a bar on the return of immigrants convicted of crimes such as multiple child rape, dealing in and distributing hard drugs and people traffiking should be prompt and automatic, but, that doesn't happen either.

Is the British public amazingly tolerant, disinterested, or just past caring?

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Post  Jeanie on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:25 pm

cyfrifia wrote:It is a bit surprising that there has not been much in the way of angry public reaction, and there predictably would have been if the situation was reversed. What does this tell us about our society ? The British are not too polite to riot, as we have seen, but perhaps motivated by rather different things?

Repatriation to country of origin, and a bar on the return of immigrants convicted of crimes such as multiple child rape, dealing in and distributing hard drugs and people traffiking should be prompt and automatic, but, that doesn't happen either.

Is the British public amazingly tolerant, disinterested, or just past caring?

All three of the above plus if it hasn't happened to me then why should I bother ?
Sadly one day it could well happen to any one of of us Sad
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Post  Atlas on Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:51 am

I think we have a tolerance span greater than most. It doesn't always serve us well. I also think that we are so used to our governments lack of urgency in legislating against some of the most serious matters that we discard the use of overt disgust and annoyance and take the more pragmatic view that it will all take too long and thus pointless. We also have a tendency to hope that things will get better and correct themselves in time. Frequently much to our great cost. Sad
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:58 pm

We do hope things will improve, It does seem as though tolerance has been replaced by something rather less useful. With the number of grooming gangs, their attitude and the nature of their crimes, it's obvious something quite widespread is seriously and damagingly wrong. It's not going to be easy for police and authorities to change or disrupt the established and now depressingly familiar and formulaic pattern of behavior, but, they must, or we will have more of the same.


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Post  Poppyanna555 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:39 pm

One thing is for sure Cyfrifia, they haven't gone to ground! They seem to be languishing in their 'you won't get me cos you'll be deemed a racist' mindset and thus feel they are above our English laws and untouchable!

I have met and worked with some really nice Pakistani and Bangladeshi people who have assimilated and been happy to abide by our rules but, as in our English communities, there is good and bad.

The various different authority's stance on 'community cohesion' has only served to make a rod for our own backs and, many Muslims do not recognise our laws and never will, preferring to railroad their own version 'Sharia' into our culture.

Imagine us trying to enforce our laws in their countries in this manner? no, neither do I.

Perhaps it's time that we were 'allowed' to drop our 'stiff upper lip' mentality?

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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:52 pm

The people convicted in the grooming trials don't belong in any sort of society. By their own actions they place themselves, and whatever arguments, ideas, beliefs and attitudes they may have beneath contempt.

These gangs of lying, violent, evil, cruel, drug dealing, organised, ruthless and merciless child rapists need to be entirely destroyed. No misplaced ideas about community cohesion, or fear of accusations of racism, can be allowed to prevent that happening. The individuals in them deserve and need to be given very long prison sentences or deported if possible.

If the authorities or people in general are genuinely worried by the idea of increasing social damage or racial tensions by pursuing this type of criminal gang, they need have no such worries at all, the damage has been done, now it's time to clean up the mess.


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Post  Poppyanna555 on Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:18 pm

The banner say's it all! affraid
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:28 pm

Typical of grooming is the determination to destroy the will and minds of the victims, to evade the police and courts, and to use connections to constantly surround the victim and their family with fear, threats and violence. Anyone working within the council, the legal system, social services who has any family, social or business connection with groomers and their gangs and families may come under pressure and be involved.

Mahdiya Khan, a groomers' 'girlfreind' who worked for the council in Burnley accessed confidential information about a victim and her family, and passed it on to Mohammed Imran Amjad, the groomer, and his friends, to use to threaten and intimidate the victim and their family.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-23907268

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Post  teamplayer2 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:52 pm

How come is it the people involved have not tried to turn it into racism. Just goes to show if you keep hiding behind racism or frightened of being accused of being racist how these evil people take advantage of the young victims. The community involved has to open up and work with other communities to remove this evil that has happened in Rochdale and other towns. It makes me sick that acts like this were not investigated because of the fear of being branded racist.

It has been said before but the very people who stopped any part of the previous investigations into the acts of grooming of young people in the Rochdale area or any area from the authorities should also be in court and sent to prison with the evil gangs already imprisoned.
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Post  Chill37 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:07 pm

I suggest the Police drag Roger Ellis in first for interviewing.

Then work down the chain of command.

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Post  teamplayer2 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:18 pm

Chill37 wrote:I suggest the Police drag Roger Ellis in first for interviewing.

Then work down the chain of command.
If only they could.
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:05 pm

It isn't just Rochdale, it's more widespread than that, down the road a bit, same story, grooming, drug dealing, intimidation, all the usual.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10661267.Brierfield_sex_grooming_gang_member_is_jailed/?ref=mr

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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:38 pm

Are asian girls hidden victims?

Shaista Gohir, Chairperson Muslim Women's Network says, "A typical scenario would be that girls would be befriended at school, with boys of a similar age, who perhaps were asked by older men to target girls. They would then introduce them to an older male who would become the boyfriend of the girl. She would, the usual, given gifts, rides in flashy cars, and then she would be raped and then blackmailed into then having sex with other men."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sto8StR4ja4

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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:14 pm

A 20 year old woman in Blackburn, described as 'vulnerable', who says she was targeted by young Asian males who plied her with drink and drugs in return for sexual favours has been given a suspended jail term for racially aggravated threatening behavior toward Asians.

Sounds a bit iffy.
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10715595.Blackburn_girl_jailed_for_race_abuse/?ref=mr

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Post  Atlas on Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:38 am

Reads more along the lines of ignorant fish-wife who has no respect for others and even less for herself. Sounds to me like the court got it right although I doubt prison will do a scrap of good. A psychiatrist might.Crying or Very sad 
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:37 am

Reporting restrictions have been lifted on another group of Rochdale men charged with

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/five-men-sexually-exploited-damaged-6286083

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Post  Guest on Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:22 am

teamplayer2 wrote: on November 8 2013
I see five more sex offenders have been found guilty from Rochdale.  How many more?

TP2:1-yr later, these 9 have become 5 'found guilty,' following two trials


08 Nov 2013:- Police apologise for failing groomed Rochdale girl, 15


Police have apologised to an underage sex abuse victim in Rochdale for failings in their initial probe into the men who exploited her.   It was reported that "Lessons have been learnt”

Many of her abusers plied the troubled 15-year-old with vodka and cannabis before committing their offences, which took place in 2008 and 2009, Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court heard.

The victim, now aged 20, gave evidence against the defendants in two trials.   Reporting restrictions were lifted on both proceedings by Judge Jonathan Foster QC at yesterday's conclusion of the second trial.

Five men will be sentenced on December 20.  They were all bailed, but told to expect custodial sentences.

The girl in the latest court proceedings had no known links with any of the 9 defendants who were jailed at Liverpool Crown Court in May 2012.  


 : -    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-24871080


The timescale of years, as reported in various media, over which this girl has been giving her statements to the authorities utterly beggars belief.



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