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Post  Hinch on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:45 am

I have to say, as a new reporter with just six months under my belt, I like many of the councillors who, on the whole are a decent enough crowd of individuals but the council as a collective is a shower! Some of the committee appointments are a complete disaster. One of the committee chairs couldn't control a meeting if his/her life depended on it and is little more than a comedy turn. Another appointment resulted in the Town Hall being laid siege to my the knuckle-draggers increasing the threat to both property and person.

Perhaps not appropriate here to discuss RO's relationship with the Media Department but I echo J's sentiments. They pick who they want to talk to and RO is not high up on their list of favourites. I will say no more on the subject as no doubt they are 'under orders'.

The Feelgood Festival should have been cancelled and the money used elsewhere. They cannot go on spending money on the 'fat' whilst cutting deeply into the 'lean' at the same time.

After covering the various evening council meetings and sub-committees, I drive home to Stradhoghton thanking God I do not live in Rochdale.

One of my grandsons is 14. He could have produced a far better website than the Falinge one and for his fee, he would have been delighted with a McDonalds and a computer game.
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:52 am

Councillor Duxbury wrote: I drive home to Stradhoghton thanking God I do not live in Rochdale.
Instead of a feelgood festival, could some sort of weekly free door to door coach service be arranged for those elderly folk who feel trapped in Rochdale, to give them a regular outing to somewhere else for a few hours?


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Post  Prudence Tempered on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:14 pm

Councillor Duxbury wrote:After covering the various evening council meetings and sub-committees, I drive home to Stradhoghton thanking God I do not live in Rochdale.

Hear, hear.

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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:50 pm

Councillor Duxbury wrote:
After covering the various evening council meetings and sub-committees, I drive home to Stradhoghton thanking God I do not live in Rochdale.

Having had an apportunity to re-house out of Rochdale some five years or so ago, I still bewail the decision I took to stay in Rochdale. My attempts at optimism are simply exhausting. Sad

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Post  Hinch on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:05 pm

[size=18]I am a Rochdalian to my core and spent over 30 years there and I also work there but it is best viewed from afar.

Lived variously in Belfast, Sheffield, Cardiff, Leeds, London and now Stradhoughton.

All have their good and bad points but nowhere that I have lived in has had such a dismal political set-up as Rochdale and it goes back over decades.

Reminds me of a line in the old Phil Coulter song, 'The Town I Loved So Well':-


But when I returned, how my eyes have burned
To see how a town could be brought to it's knees
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Post  Prudence Tempered on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:20 pm

Councillor Duxbury wrote:[size=18]I am a Rochdalian to my core and spent over 30 years there and I also work there but it is best viewed from afar.

Lived variously in Belfast, Sheffield, Cardiff, Leeds, London and now Stradhoughton.

All have their good and bad points but nowhere that I have lived in has had such a dismal political set-up as Rochdale and it goes back over decades.

You can honestly say without irony that you've lived in Sheffield and more relevantly Belfast and not seen such a dismal political set-up as in Rochdale? In my opinion you're not viewing the town from far enough.

It were all green hills when I was a lad.
Champion, it were champion.
We had cobbled roads and white-coloured trams,
Brass bands played at the town's parade,
And we sat and talked for hours on the village green,
The days unfolded nice and slow.
It were all green hills when I was a lad,
But, of course, you're much too young to know.

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Post  UP THE DALE on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:38 pm

J said, "The council knew what money it was getting from the Government, they therefore knew long ago what was in store financially. I reiterate the council choose what cuts to impose. "

How long before setting this years budget, did they have the final figures of what they were going to get off the government? And do they have any final figures for what they will be getting in the future?

It is also the case that, Councils like Rochdale, have had deeper cuts than other more well off Councils. This partly due to the fact that under previous governments they got larger premiums on top of the revenue settlement, due to the levels of poverty in the Borough. Settlement grants to local authorities now no longer take into consideration the poverty, the make up of the borough, it's all now just based on actual numbers. This has meant deeper cuts for Rochdale , than more well off boroughs. Therefore rich Westminster gets the same per head of population grant as Rochdale, or very near to it.

Can Councillor Duxberry find out if this is the case or not, as part of an investigation for his employers?

And yes I agree that the number of councillors should be cut to 40-2 per ward, and it was a bad move to increase the number of Cabinet posts-following central government's lead there I will add. Also the number of senior management and their salaries could and should have been cut .
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Post  Hinch on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:37 pm

Prudence Tempered wrote:
Councillor Duxbury wrote:[size=18]I am a Rochdalian to my core and spent over 30 years there and I also work there but it is best viewed from afar. Lived variously in Belfast, Sheffield, Cardiff, Leeds, London and now Stradhoughton. All have their good and bad points but nowhere that I have lived in has had such a dismal political set-up as Rochdale and it goes back over decades.


You can honestly say without irony that you've lived in Sheffield and more relevantly Belfast and not seen such a dismal political set-up as in Rochdale? In my opinion you're not viewing the town from far enough.

Yes, I can. Sheffield had an extremely good Socialist Council. Free buses, great parks and art galleries. Some grot-spots of course but I lived on a wonderfully designed and landscaped council estate on Gleadless Valley. Worked in the hospitals there and went to university there and my daughter was educated in its schools.

It was taken the piss out of in the Daily Mail as 'The People's Republic of South Yorkshire'. Well, if it was it worked.

Belfast was different. Politics based on pure sectarianism plain and simple but far more transparent and easier to understand than in Rochdale over the years with strange, unfathomable pacts, mass-defections, clan-loyalties, iniquitous voting patterns and the heart of the town encouraged to rot away over three decades as they wine and dine and give each other awards and places at high-table..

Belfast was the friendliest place I ever lived despite the bombings, shootings, bus-hijackings and all the rest. True, I met some evil b*stards but at least you knew how far you could trust 'em and none of 'em needed a Media Department to get their message across!
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Post  Prudence Tempered on Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:10 pm

How perceptive of you to spot unfathomable pacts, mass-defections, clan-loyalties, iniquitous voting patterns and the heart of the town encouraged to rot away over three decades but how perverse of you to attribute them to Rochdale rather than Belfast.

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Post  johnb on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:10 pm

Perhaps it is apposite to ask how much money is GOING to be spent on the forthcoming Christmas Lights switch-on, and where it is coming from.
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Post  UP THE DALE on Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:07 pm

Councillor Duxbury wrote:
Prudence Tempered wrote:
Councillor Duxbury wrote:[size=18]I am a Rochdalian to my core and spent over 30 years there and I also work there but it is best viewed from afar. Lived variously in Belfast, Sheffield, Cardiff, Leeds, London and now Stradhoughton. All have their good and bad points but nowhere that I have lived in has had such a dismal political set-up as Rochdale and it goes back over decades.


You can honestly say without irony that you've lived in Sheffield and more relevantly Belfast and not seen such a dismal political set-up as in Rochdale? In my opinion you're not viewing the town from far enough.

Yes, I can. Sheffield had an extremely good Socialist Council. Free buses, great parks and art galleries. Some grot-spots of course but I lived on a wonderfully designed and landscaped council estate on Gleadless Valley. Worked in the hospitals there and went to university there and my daughter was educated in its schools.

It was taken the piss out of in the Daily Mail as 'The People's Republic of South Yorkshire'. Well, if it was it worked.

Belfast was different. Politics based on pure sectarianism plain and simple but far more transparent and easier to understand than in Rochdale over the years with strange, unfathomable pacts, mass-defections, clan-loyalties, iniquitous voting patterns and the heart of the town encouraged to rot away over three decades as they wine and dine and give each other awards and places at high-table..

Belfast was the friendliest place I ever lived despite the bombings, shootings, bus-hijackings and all the rest. True, I met some evil b*stards but at least you knew how far you could trust 'em and none of 'em needed a Media Department to get their message across!

I agree with what you say about Sheffield and Rochdale. Would think you are right about Belfast from what I have been told. I think Rochdale went downhill from the early 70's, more than partly due to the fact that we had a MP that was more concerned with sticking his nose into local politics and being a comedy entertainer (very badly) than doing the job at Westminster that he should have done, ie work on getting investment into the town etc.

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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:49 am

Nothing to do with the Council allowing the heart to be ripped out of the town then, UpTheDale?

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Post  UP THE DALE on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:52 pm

Rochdale Council IS responsible for ripping the heart out of the town since the 70's, as well, J. ALL the political parties, who have had councillors and Mps are responsible-impossible to say or prove which if any is responsible the most, along with a very long list of failing high paid officers etc.
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Post  Hinch on Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:21 pm

Well I for one just hope they learn from the mistakes of the past and don't repeat them.

There is a lot of stuff going on now with the regeneration, Metrolink and river-reopening. It has cost a lorra, lorra lolly and I really do hope that it comes off though we operate in difficult economic times in a town that tends to suffer most at times like these.

I think over the decades; what the councillors etc are MOST guilty of is a lack of imagination. That and a tendency to hark back to a 'glorious past' we never really had in the first place has served us ill over the years.

It was never like that really tha' knows! You know, Gracie Fields skipping and dancing down the street, arm-in-arm with all them happy mill-workers heading off to Blackpool belting out 'Sing As We Go' at the top of their voices. It was only a film. The mills have gone, there was never really any money and we were never really one great happy homogenous lump.
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Post  UP THE DALE on Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:26 pm

I accept all of that, but also there is a massive problem of high unemployment and a lot of poor wages paid to those that have jobs, that's why the pound shops are busy.

When the cotton industry died many lost their jobs and they were never fully replaced, same with all the engineering works etc.
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Post  Spartacus on Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:50 am

@Mojo Hill and Poppyanna555 - Thank you for your kind words.

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Post  Chill37 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:47 am

UP THE DALE wrote:I accept all of that, but also there is a massive problem of high unemployment and a lot of poor wages paid to those that have jobs, that's why the pound shops are busy.

When the cotton industry died many lost their jobs and they were never fully replaced, same with all the engineering works etc.

Yes and more pound shops are opening every time I look around. So it makes me think who rubber stamps all the planning permission. Is it not time for someone to stand up and say no to the latest 'tat' shop or loan shark shop and actually try and work out why no quality shops are opening or the ones we have shutting down. Take the Game shop for example. Very highly used and busy. Yet they shut down. Yes they were going through major difficulties. But lo and behold shops previously closed are re-opening. The one in Manchester has now re-opened. One has just re-opened in Watford!

Also why is no high end companies opening on Kingway which was built to promote that sort of business thus bringing in more high value jobs.. But we get sheds and warehouses built instead. Someone clearly got duped by shiny Powerpoint presentations or were allowed to take their eyes of the ball on that concept.

Will there be anyone brought back to account on that?

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Post  UP THE DALE on Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:30 pm

I agree, BUT can planners or anyone stop a particular type of shop being opened in non council units?

As for Kingsway, many of us questioned/doubted what would really become of Kingsway, when the idea was first suggested.
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Post  Charly on Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:56 pm

I watched a programme on 2 of the big pound shops last night.
They employ a lot of people and one of them (99p shop) has a turnover of £400M, the owner mentioned last night that by being a 99p shop instead of a pound shop lost him £40M a year!
I love pound shops Laughing why pay £4.99 for a tin opener like a customer last night said she'd just paid and there they are in the pound shop.
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Post  Charly on Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:24 pm

I dont agree with selling the towns history...well not until the Vatican has sold off all its treasures to help the poor of the world!
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Post  Chill37 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:29 pm

Charly wrote:I dont agree with selling the towns history...well not until the Vatican has sold off all its treasures to help the poor of the world!
Agreed.


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Post  UP THE DALE on Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:35 pm

Heywood PP is right to suggest that as an idea. Mind you the Vatican has billions of pounds worth of cash and other wealth. Maybe it's time for religions to help out more. For instance, the Greek Orthodox church has more in reserves than the overall debt of the Greek economy and yet still does not pay taxes. I believe Religions here and the USA are tax exempt too. We are all in it together except for the rich/corporations and religion it seems.

Heywood PP is doing an excellent job in Heywood, and I am full of respect for him, if not the organisation he works for, and I am sure there are many representatives of religions who do great charity work, but we should not have to rely on charities to provide food and other basic needs.


Extremely ignorant comment by "The oracle" regarding the unemployed. In fact they are blind to the realities of Rochdale Borough which does not have enough vacancies to give everyone a job.
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Post  UP THE DALE on Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:38 pm

Charly wrote:I dont agree with selling the towns history...well not until the Vatican has sold off all its treasures to help the poor of the world!

Spot on, but it's most if not all religions that have lots of wealth.
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Post  Hinch on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:04 pm

Selling off the family silver is not and never will be a replacement for sound financial management mingled with perhaps just a tad of compassion.

Rochdale, like other towns is a custodian of its local heritage and history. OK, it may have a few paintings and sculptures that have appreciated in value over the years but these are a drop in the ocean and it would make no sense to sell off a few trinkets now to house the homeless when, in the next round of cuts, it would no doubt choose yet yet again pass these on to those most in need, if its present track record is anything to go by.

The last Pope, JP2 said that he would be selling off a lot of the Vatican's object d'art but the last I heard, the Vatican shelves were pretty well-stocked and the Vatican Bank is hardly on its uppers. Certainly no dark patches on the walls to indicate where rare, quattrocento paintings had once hung before being sent off to the auction house.

The only handouts that the churches seem to be shelling out are the hundreds of millions of pounds/dollars and Euros for victims of child abuse together with hefty legal fees.

This council needs to reasses its priorities. Paying out £100K for the Feelgood festival is anathema. No good Martha Reeves & the Vandellas urging us to be 'Dancing in the Street' whilst others are sleeping, starving and dying on them.

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