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Post  Guest on Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:51 pm

Rochdale Borough Council's determination to ‘cheat’ the system to force up council tax bills without the backing of local people is to be punished by the government.

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/127/council-watch/77264/council-democracy-dodgers-will-be-punished-warns-pickles

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Post  Charly on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:03 pm

The council may be punished but its the residents of Rochdale that will suffer whichever way you look at it.
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Post  Poppyanna555 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:15 pm

I totally agree Charly, we're all going to have to pay.... one way or another Sad
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Post  Hinch on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:48 pm

Council screws up, John and Mary Council Tax payer foots the bill. Simple!
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Post  Guest on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:20 pm

Simple solution, council doesn't use loophole to raise tax, no punishment - blame lies squarely at the Lambert council door.

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Post  johnb on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:11 pm

I wouldn't mind the increase if it was going on improved services.

As it is, it will be spent on a burgeoning empire of beaurocracy.
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Post  Chill37 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:35 pm

When and how will the democracy dodgers be punished then?

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Post  keithatrochdale on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:47 pm

So WE are having to pay more and will be punished again for it next year too - great, and who do we have to thank ALL our Councillors. Evil or Very Mad
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Post  Guest on Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:15 am

Not all councillors, the 39 who voted against freezing council tax and ergo approving the proposed 3.5% increase:

Following a heated debate in the council chamber last night (Wednesday 24 January) all 39 Labour councillors present at the full council meeting voted against a Conservative motion that council tax should be frozen and if Labour set an increase of above 2%, "including all levies", then a "discretionary referendum should be held".


http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/127/council-watch/77166/council-tax-will-rise-by-35pc-after-labour-councillors-vote-against-no-increase

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Post  johnb on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:55 pm

Truth to tell, with the ward system and it's incipient potential corruption, there is no ballot box sanction.

We are asked to elect councillors who have no knowledge of or gift for administration. We get no firm policies, no deliverables, about what they intend to provide and at what cost - we are asked to judge a beauty contest where all the contestants wear heavy masks.

I would like to be offered the opportunity to vote for services versus taxes. I would love to vote for measures to cut the size of the executive and (or) administration to more realistic sizes. I would love to vote for executive pay that truly matched the responsibility and capabilities of the executive officers. Regrettably none of these things are up for offer.
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Post  Hinch on Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:37 pm

It would also be useful to have some transparency regarding the appointment of people to key posts on committees to ensure that ability and commitment are placed above pure patronage.
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Post  teamplayer2 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:07 am

If the Labour Party can act like this at local level. If they got in full power again at national level would democracy be in danger in our country?

If they are seen to get away loop holes they could do this at national level. It is bad enough now.
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Post  johnb on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:08 pm

One would hope that Rochdale Council Labour Group are a different animal to the national Labour party.
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Post  Hinch on Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:35 pm

teamplayer2 wrote:If the Labour Party can act like this at local level. If they got in full power again at national level would democracy be in danger in our country?

If they are seen to get away loop holes they could do this at national level. It is bad enough now.

Democracy? We are already ruled by a coalition that nobody voted for. Democracy has been suspended until the next election at the very least.
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Post  teamplayer2 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:26 pm

Yes Hinch I suppose you are correct and have to agree to your point.
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Post  Charly on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:24 am

From the news article;


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/households-facing-council-tax-rise-230635274.html#ko32nDQ

Under the last government, council tax bills doubled. The coalition Government has worked with councils to freeze council tax for two years, with a further freeze offered for this year. We are cutting council tax in real terms for hard-working families and pensioners, and we are on the side of people who work hard and want to get on."

Does Cllr Lambert know?
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Post  teamplayer2 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:47 pm

He does know Charly he just looks for loop holes on how to get out of it and hit the hard up people of Rochdale.
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Post  Hinch on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:24 am

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/77869/mp-urges-council-to-freeze-council-tax-using-6m-underspend?

Dodgy democracy.
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