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Post  Spartacus on Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:45 pm

As Seen on Facebook:

Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies
monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese,

Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

I agree with the sentiments expressed here. What does everyone else think?

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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:06 pm

Australians have a tendency to say what they think. Australia, being such a huge and independent country can be more in charge of it's own destiny, a very different setup to the UK.

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Post  Old Regulator on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:42 pm

I can see where she is coming from and could possibly agree if it was widened to all immigrants including what are referred to as Ex Pats from this sceptred isle. We have discussed here and on RO if ‘integration’ or assimilation’ into an alien culture is the correct way to go.
On a local front I feel that, as I’m sure happens in Australia and elsewhere, the minority rule in so far that they, the minority of immigrants, get far more attention than the majority of immigrants.
As for her God reference I was under the apprehension that most believe in 1 God.

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Post  Charly on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:43 pm

I agree totally with what Julia Gillard said.
Its time someone in this country had the balls to say the same, oh I forgot, we're not allowed to mention it for fear of being called racist. Rolling Eyes
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Post  Hinch on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:52 pm

Being mindful of the appalling way Australia treats many of its own indigenous population - the aborigines, I question the credentials of their PM to address issues like this.

Over 225 years after the First Fleet, many of their own native population live under far worse conditions than some in the third world with virtually no access to healthcare or education.

If she wants to put Australians first, why not start off with the REAL ones?
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Post  past it on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:30 pm

I think Juulia Gillard went to Australia as an immigrant herself. Fortunately for her she was the right colour and religion. For a country that would not exist without immigration her speech contains a fair degree of hypocrisy. I would challenge her claim to only want English speakers. Have you heard how she speaks?

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Post  teamplayer2 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:40 pm

How do the whites of that country treat the original natives of the country?
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:28 pm

The native Australians have been treated very badly, Australia should be, and perhaps is, ashamed of that. The same goes for native peoples in many places, north and south america, africa, eskimos, Tibet etc. Native peoples have to put up a real resistance to survive invasive immigration. The native people of Bougainville in the south pacific effectively fought back, the so called 'coconut revolution'.

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Post  Spartacus on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:37 pm

Old Regulator wrote:I can see where she is coming from and could possibly agree if it was widened to all immigrants including what are referred to as Ex Pats from this sceptred isle. We have discussed here and on RO if ‘integration’ or assimilation’ into an alien culture is the correct way to go.
On a local front I feel that, as I’m sure happens in Australia and elsewhere, the minority rule in so far that they, the minority of immigrants, get far more attention than the majority of immigrants.
As for her God reference I was under the apprehension that most believe in 1 God.

Yes, I agree with you, it should apply to all.




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Post  Spartacus on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:38 pm

Hinch wrote:Being mindful of the appalling way Australia treats many of its own indigenous population - the aborigines, I question the credentials of their PM to address issues like this.

Over 225 years after the First Fleet, many of their own native population live under far worse conditions than some in the third world with virtually no access to healthcare or education.

If she wants to put Australians first, why not start off with the REAL ones?

Great point, Hinch.

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Post  Spartacus on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:47 pm

past it wrote: I think Juulia Gillard went to Australia as an immigrant herself. Fortunately for her she was the right colour and religion. For a country that would not exist without immigration her speech contains a fair degree of hypocrisy. I would challenge her claim to only want English speakers. Have you heard how she speaks?

I don't think she only wants English speakers, Past It. She wants people to be able to converse in and understand it. That means learning the language if you do not already speak it. However you speak it is OK as long as you can.

I don't see where "colour" comes into the equation?




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Post  johnb on Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:38 pm

Yugoslavian emigrants to Australia are also treated as second class citizens.
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Post  Guest on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:30 pm

Charly wrote:I agree totally with what Julia Gillard said.
Its time someone in this country had the balls to say the same, oh I forgot, we're not allowed to mention it for fear of being called racist. Rolling Eyes

Being forthright isn't invariably racist. Mad As this Topic's title, perhaps it could be seen more “in context.” Julia Gillard spoke days after violent demonstrations in Sydney in September last year, after public rioting there involving Muslims protesting against the creation of a You tube film in the USA, which was said to insult the Islamic prophet Mohammed.

The demonstrators became very aggressive and 400 were involved in physical confrontations with the police in a Sydney district. Eight were arrested and charged with public order offences and two police constables hospitalised. Further arrests-charges took place after video footage of the riots had been examined.

Julia Gillard had also commented 'What we saw in Sydney was not multiculturalism, but extremism.'


She has strongly refuted a right to Sharia Law there and stated the laws of Australia will apply to all of its residents. Such forthrightness could be seen as a rare political commodity.


At the time, some Muslim community leaders condemned the violence, as did politicians from all major political parties. However, fundamentalist Islamic pressure groups loudly condemned those who condemned the violence ... as being 'anti-Islamic'.

Last week, Ms Gillard, who went to Australia as a child from Wales, personally selected an Olympic gold medallist, Nova Peris, as Labour’s candidate for a safe seat in the Senate (upper house), putting her on course to become the first female Aboriginal politician in the federal parliament.


Her view and speeches on mysogamy in the Australian political field are definitely very blunt Cool


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Post  Atlas on Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:46 am

Gow fer it Sheila. Smile bounce affraid
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Post  past it on Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:13 am

Spartacus wrote:
past it wrote: I think Juulia Gillard went to Australia as an immigrant herself. Fortunately for her she was the right colour and religion. For a country that would not exist without immigration her speech contains a fair degree of hypocrisy. I would challenge her claim to only want English speakers. Have you heard how she speaks?

I don't think she only wants English speakers, Past It. She wants people to be able to converse in and understand it. That means learning the language if you do not already speak it. However you speak it is OK as long as you can.

I don't see where "colour" comes into the equation?

I was referring to the fact that she was not part of the Islamic, African or Asian ethnic groups.




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Post  Charly on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:44 pm

Julia Gillard is an atheist (or agnostic), childless, single woman who can’t be given a personal religious ‘label’ and has never promoted one for herself during her adult life.

In one of her critiques of the media, Julia Gillard referred to "misogynist nut jobs on the internet."

They'll probably shred her for frankness now their elections are due this year.


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Re: Australia's Response to Extremists

Post  Hinch on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:24 am

Underneath the jingoistic rhetoric of course, the PM does have a valid point or two but makes it in a vote-catching, mob-pleasing way designed to heighten tensions rather than reduce them and do nothing to actually address the issues.

Beware of politicians throwing populist sentiments into the crowd. Usually this is done for the basest of reasons and rarely to address the issues.

The German Nazi Party tried this with well-documented consequences.

It is not necessarily the mark of an extremist to speak your own language in your adoptive country. Many Chinese and Jewish people over here do this without threatening the nation and the Jews have had their own rabbinical courts for centuries.

Very few Brits living abroad ever took the trouble to fully assimilate themselves into the language and culture of the places in which they settled and often administrated.
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Post  Atlas on Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:32 am

I think Hinch that the majority of Brits who emigrated for a new life-style did indeed learn their new adopted language. If you are referring to retirees or the days of the Raj then most didn't and still don't expect to have to assimilate to the same extent as the forementioned. Let's not get bound up in some 'what we did - historically or hysterically. I would agree that politicians do use this sort of rhetoric to gain influence, as your quote of the NSDAP made reference, but in this case regardless of her motives she spoke the truth as most Aussies would see it and not to put too fine a point on it how many of us also think. Tell the truth and shame the devil and stop pussyfooting around.
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Post  Hinch on Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:20 am

As I conceded in the first line of my post Atlas.
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:19 am

Early on in the little speech we are discussing, the Bali terrorist bombing is mentioned. The main gist of the speech seems to be, that Australia does not want terrorists bombings or the sort of people that might want to do them, and who can blame them for that?

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Post  Prudence Tempered on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:42 am

I don't suppose that anyone is interested in the fact that the words in question have never been said by Julia Gillard. Nor had they been said by John Howard when they were attributed to him 5 years ago.

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Post  Spartacus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:07 am

Prudence Tempered wrote:I don't suppose that anyone is interested in the fact that the words in question have never been said by Julia Gillard. Nor had they been said by John Howard when they were attributed to him 5 years ago.

confused Ah... well... as I said when I posted, "as seen on Facebook."

So, this "speech" has been doing the rounds for 5 years then?



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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:13 am

Prudence Tempered wrote:I don't suppose that anyone is interested in the fact that the words in question have never been said by Julia Gillard. Nor had they been said by John Howard when they were attributed to him 5 years ago.

That is the least interesting thing about the speech. Razz

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Post  Charly on Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:18 pm

Well whoever said it obviously speaks for a lot of their fellow citizens, or it wouldn't still be doing the rounds
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Post  Poppyanna555 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:25 pm

Whether 'she' did or 'he' did I have no idea, I too have seen this bouncing around a lot on Facebook recently and believed she had made these comments in the aftermath of the rioting there.

I agree with Atlas' comments 100% though, we really do need to stop pussyfooting around, these are the sentiments of many, as reflected in the feedback on FB from individuals from many parts of the world.



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