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Post  Chill37 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:08 am

Oh dear.

It will be M&S closing next or WH Smith.

There really is nothing left in Rochdale.

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Post  Poppyanna555 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:43 pm

Admittedly not in the town centre, but I have heard that the All In One garden centre is also closing down having sold out to builders.

There really is nothing to come to Rochdale for is there?
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Post  Chill37 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:20 pm

Poppyanna555 wrote:Admittedly not in the town centre, but I have heard that the All In One garden centre is also closing down having sold out to builders.

There really is nothing to come to Rochdale for is there?
really?!

Thats not good.

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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:24 pm

Poppyanna555 wrote:There really is nothing to come to Rochdale for is there?
High street shopping is diminishing, but Rochdale could re-think about what people increasingly do want and need.

A read of this article might show a possibility. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/aug/27/dementia-village-residents-have-fun

The UK has a 'national emergency' of dementia, and the care of the elderly in general. Part of Rochdale could be transformed into a 'dementia village' or town, as in the article.

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Post  Chill37 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:05 pm

Indeed Dementia is a very much a ticking time bomb,  The statistics are very scary indeed the projected number of people expected to get a Dementia of some sort is very high,  It is predicted that it will take over heart disease and cancer.  Plus Dementia care is intensive, expensive and very prolonged.  Although sufferes dont tend to survive beyond the teen years of diagnosis or onset of Dementia. So maybe we will see communties for Dementia Sufferers.  As long as it remains intergration not seperation or isolation. So bit like a retirement village in essence.

So maybe Rochdale coluld champion this idea.  

However though a very important topic it does not bode well for Rochdale with the possibility of All In One closing for housing,  Yet still as a whole TCM/RMBC is pushing ahead with more retail space.

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Post  Guest on Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:42 pm

Chill37 wrote:
However though a very important topic it does not bode well for Rochdale with the possibility of All In One closing for housing,  Yet still as a whole TCM/RMBC is pushing ahead with more retail space.
IF builders have bought the All In One Centre and land in Middleton township, I'd expect such an outlay to  have 'outline planning permission' in the bag, wouldn't others ?   I cant find anything of this nature for the location in Planning - Applications !   scratch


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Post  Hinch on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:20 pm


All In One charge way too much. Compare their prices with Gordon Rigg's.

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Post  Poppyanna555 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:34 pm


It might be idle gossip MJH!   The only reason why I believed it might be fact is because I visited there about 8 weeks ago (not having been there for years) and I found the visit quite disappointing.  
It certainly didn't live up to how I remember it, their stock looked very limited. Shocked

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Post  Guest on Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:01 pm

Poppyanna555 wrote:
It might be idle gossip MJH !     The only reason why I believed it might be fact is because I visited there about 8 weeks ago (not having been there for years) and I found the visit quite disappointing.  
It certainly didn't live up to how I remember it, their stock looked very limited. Shocked

Oh, it could just be a rumour then; mmm     

and Urban legend says if you stand in front of a mirror and chant "Bloody Mary" three times, a terrifying ghost will appear. Rolling Eyes 

This, however, is fact:  Smith Street closed

Ghost Town looming?   The only reason I presently go right into Rochdale's town centre is, reluctantly, to go in a Bank, and what a darned palaver even that has turned into.   Enough is enough ..  I'm changing Branch

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/82065/smith-street-closed


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Post  Atlas on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:15 am

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Chill37 wrote:
However though a very important topic it does not bode well for Rochdale with the possibility of All In One closing for housing,  Yet still as a whole TCM/RMBC is pushing ahead with more retail space.
IF builders have bought the All In One Centre and land in Middleton township, I'd expect such an outlay to  have 'outline planning permission' in the bag, wouldn't others ?   I cant find anything of this nature for the location in Planning - Applications !   scratch

What frequently happens is a developer (seeing a potential profit) approaches the prospective vendor with the greeting 'hail well met - your land has potential - how's about an option to purchase with approval of outline planning etc etc'. These are what's called 'arms length negotiations' and do not constitute a contract to buy. A nominal sum is usually paid for the option which the developer loses should the planning consents not be granted. If the vendor is wanting to sell (for whatever reasons) it allows time for other interested parties to make similar offers or to buy for other reasons. It suits everyone. Meanwhile the vendor may take steps to decrease his trading without committing himself to any finality. You should keep a wary eye out for an outline planning application - there will be one eventually if the rumours are true.Wink 
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Post  Chill37 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:35 am


I saw a report last night about dying Towns.  Every 'expert' said you cant build your way out of trouble on the High Street.  Another valid point was that every Town/City Centre needs to cater for Morning, Afternoon and Nightime activities.

Can Rochdale do that now, let alone in the future.

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Post  Hinch on Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:30 am

Well, any town with a switched-on, imaginative council and a vibrant local economy should be able to crack this one.

Ooo... err...
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Post  Chill37 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:55 am

Hinch wrote:Well, any town with a switched-on, imaginative council and a vibrant local economy should be able to crack this one.

Ooo... err...
Which is everything Rochdale/ RMBC/TCM is lacking in.


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Post  Poppyanna555 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:14 pm

Heard today that the owners of the All In One Garden Centre have gone to press with a disclaimer denying that they are intending to sell to builders and pull out of the town.

Fair enough, but how does that explain the letters sent out to residents in the neighbourhood proposing to do just that?  Of course, this could be idle gossip too?
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Post  Atlas on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:45 am

Poppyanna555 wrote:Heard today that the owners of the All In One Garden Centre have gone to press with a disclaimer denying that they are intending to sell to builders and pull out of the town.

Fair enough, but how does that explain the letters sent out to residents in the neighbourhood proposing to do just that?  Of course, this could be idle gossip too?

Methinks that something didn't work out as planned here. Not unusual. Time will tell.
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Post  Atlas on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:54 am

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I saw a report last night about dying Towns.  Every 'expert' said you cant build your way out of trouble on the High Street.  Another valid point was that every Town/City Centre needs to cater for Morning, Afternoon and Nightime activities.

Can Rochdale do that now, let alone in the future.

Not on the High Street is correct. The vibrancy of a local economy can be substantially enhanced with intelligent design and long-term planning, building certainly comes into the equation as the 'plans' unfold but not more of the same-old -same-old. It begins by providing that which the public 'want' and 'need'. That means total inclusion of the demographic of the town. I think you are correct, those of you, who make the comment that Rochdale has yet to provide itself with 'people' worthy of their task. Until then you will get nothing which will provide succor for your aspirations or general well-being. Sad but true.Sad Crying or Very sad 
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Post  Guest on Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:40 pm



Decision taken !       Contract for town centre development has finally been signed:-  


> http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/82368/contract-for-town-centre-development-has-finally-been-signed


Some information is, however, forewarned as "commercially sensitive" and it seems it will not therefore be divulged in the council’s media release/PR of next week.



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Post  Atlas on Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:19 am

You should take care now to view the plans when they become available for scrutiny. The leisure based activities and shopping should only be arranged around a total re-vamp of the town centre encompassing access and adequate services for pedestrianised usage - as pointed out many times before on this forum - the river needs opening and a complete 21st century makeover to compliment the same in order that it 'draws in' business both from the public and commercial aspect. Anything less is futile and another waste of good monies. - - - Is anyone listening I wonder?
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Post  Atlas on Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:38 am




Exactly. A proposed 2 billion make-over. If the ideas are good the private sector will make the effort to be 'in' on it. It serves everyone in the end result. But you have to have vision. You have to have 'outside' assistance from others who can view the town centre and its environs in an unbiased and critical light. A mixture of old and new that compliments and draws 'interest' and given the 'interest' receive a full and pleasant leisure/shopping experience. Take the town back -. It belongs to everybody - not just the gamblers, alcoholics and scrotes.
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Post  Chill37 on Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:26 am



Indeed.  Lets start with all the drunks that hang around St Chads Court near the Off Licence.  Also the group that I see around Packer Spout behind the Town Hall.

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Post  Atlas on Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:14 am

Yes indeed. It was sad to hear last night on the television Rochdale described as a 'Once thriving and vibrant Cotton Town now far, far past it's sell-by date' and sadder still to know that the town hasn't the people or the ability to really do anything about it. Why should that be I wonder? Whatever happened to the 'pride'?Sad Sad Sad Sad 
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Post  Chill37 on Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:30 am

Atlas wrote:Yes indeed. It was sad to hear last night on the television Rochdale described as a 'Once thriving and vibrant Cotton Town now far, far past it's sell-by date' and sadder still to know that the town hasn't the people or the ability to really do anything about it. Why should that be I wonder? Whatever happened to the 'pride'?Sad Sad Sad Sad 
Well it could be argued that the death of Rochdale started with the demise of King Cotton.

But, then again, it could also be down to the failure to promote and maintain promises by sucessive Councils.  Such as Kingswway Business Park as being a Technological Park.  Now we have a housing estate and a Hungry Horse type resturant being built.  Jobs yes, but not the type that were promosed as being sought for Kingsway.

Or, Cllrs shouting from the rooftops about no Fracking in our self-proclaimed green status! Thus possibly preventing investment and jobs.  As I said before in a past thread, this needs serious proper discussion at all levels and not let just one person spouting off.  So much for democracy.  But that is found to be lacking of late as per recent reports.  Such as failure to include all parties about a discussion to extend a school.  Or the steam rollering of planning permissions.  I just hope people remember come the next elections.

Byt yes we don't have the people in charge to do anything other than pressing ahead with pointless shopping centres despite all information pointing to the opposite.  So it's like RMBC acting like a modern day King Canute against the tide of common sense.

As for pride, you only have to look at the ongoing thread on rubbish and free roaming chickens in an area of Rochdale abiout the state of pride in Rochdale.  Also we will have the new addition of the 'naughty' leaflets on recycling floating around the Borough adding to the litter issue.


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