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International violence and UK security.

Post  cyfrifia on Sat May 25, 2013 11:12 am

According to BBC investigations,
Michael Adebolajo became psychotic after visiting Kenya, where he was beaten and sexually abused by security forces. Many places in the world are in extremely brutal conflict, mainly involving Islamic groups of various kinds. People coming and going to and from the UK are bringing the experiences, beliefs and traumas of these wars to the streets here. Soldiers returning from Afghanistan and Iraq suffer trauma and are not being supported as well as they need to be.


Quote: "Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police Sir Peter Fahy told the BBC there had been a "steady stream of plots", which had on the whole been foiled by police.
He said the police and the security services were "particularly concerned" about people travelling from Britain to conflict areas such as Mali, Syria and Iraq and the increase in extremist websites."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

This influx of international violence is problematic. UK security and police forces are under pressure, as there is a "steady stream of plots", foiled before the public hear of them. More attention needs to be paid to monitoring who is allowed through UK borders and where they are coming from; and also to supporting members of UK armed forces returning from Afghanistan etc. Smile

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Post  Atlas on Sun May 26, 2013 12:39 am

Many of the African, Asian and Middle eastern countries are in a state of 'flux'. This is part of an evolutionary process through which most western countries passed over the last two hundred years. It could be said that the Western countries are more settled in their present democratic environments whilst those aforementioned are 'finding their way'. Those who know of their own history will doubtless see some similarities with the present conflicts abroad especially the religious connotations and the mayhem that followed. Whilst these processes are going on extremists from all religions and political persuasions will take full advantage of the ignorant and the poor (generally not their own fault but a fault of inept, miserable and corrupt governments) and use them for their own purposes. The lust for power comes in many guises and should never be underestimated. As for safeguarding our own borders I would agree that we need to be vigilant but I cannot see how we can avoid being drawn into these problems when we (our governments) constantly interfere with these transitions. Surprised
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun May 26, 2013 10:34 am

Yes, there has been, and continues, a problem in UK politics, far too much action on foreign policy, and neglect of what needs doing here.

There is speculation in the media that the Woolwich killer was deported to here from Kenya. If so, it makes our deportation system look ridiculous. It is, as is well known.

It would make things easier for UK security if our own deportation systems were brought up to speed. Smile


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Post  Atlas on Mon May 27, 2013 1:02 am

I think you might find that such stems from a more 'caring, careful and thoughtful' position in our judicial system and that of the EU than a question of 'speed'. There are some crimes for which most would welcome back the death penalty (although I'm not one of them) and an indiscriminate or lackadaisical relaxation of our deportation laws could in many instances result in such penalties for the people thus concerned. Whilst one may say they, those concerned, shouldn't put themselves in such a position in the first place, such isn't due cause to be less vigilant and careful than we are at present. Smile
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon May 27, 2013 8:04 am

Exactly. We should be more "vigilant and careful than we are at present ", and a bit quicker about it. Smile

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Post  Atlas on Tue May 28, 2013 12:13 am

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Post  Charly on Tue May 28, 2013 4:38 pm

Its reported today that a male and female prison officers were held hostage and injured by 3 muslim prisoners, luckily they werent badly injured.
It has been linked to the death of Lee Rigby.
Time to get mega-tough with these thugs
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Post  johnb on Tue May 28, 2013 8:37 pm

No Charley, nothing more than the full force of law, nothing less.
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Post  Charly on Tue May 28, 2013 11:05 pm

Well full force of the law would be enough if the law wasn't so soft on thugs and criminals.
Just heard of a young man losing his life after being stabbed on Sunday and another one in hospital after being beaten up at weekend.
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Post  johnb on Wed May 29, 2013 4:01 pm

Presumably the police are now looking at CCTV coverage to determine the perpetrators.

Perhaps if the police had bodies on the ground, perhaps if the pubs and clubs shut earlier, perhaps if the price of booze in licensed establishments was not so high that people felt the need to get loaded before they went out...
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Post  Atlas on Thu May 30, 2013 12:53 am

Perhaps if they stopped being so f****** selfish, did a proper days work in their miserable b***** useless lives and GROW UP they might just be of some use to themselves and the rest of us who have to live here.

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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:06 pm

With one of the two Woolwich accused appearing in court, wishing to be called Mujahid Abu Hamza, blowing kisses to the audience,
and doing a parody of the Usai Bolt pointing gesture, it looks like he is making a circus performance.

Meanwhile, a 'taskforce' on tackling extremism and radicalisation has been set up.

David Cameron adressing the house of commons yesterday, quote: "this morning, I chaired the first meeting of the Government’s new taskforce on tackling extremism and radicalisation. I want the taskforce to ask serious questions on whether the rules on charities are too lax and whether they can allow extremists to prosper; whether we are doing enough to disrupt groups that incite hatred, violence or criminal damage; whether we are doing enough to deal with radicalisation on our university campuses, on the internet and in our prisons; whether we need to do more with informal education centres such as madrassahs to prevent radicalisation; and whether we do enough to help mosques to expel extremists and recruit imams who understand Britain."

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm130603/debtext/130603-0001.htm#13060311000760

Can anyone think of any example of a government 'taskforce' that has achived anything much? This one seems to be expected to "ask serious questions", which is rather different from finding serious answers. Asking serious questions is something a lot of people have been doing for quite some time now.

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Post  Atlas on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:55 am

Horse - door - door - horse - by at least 40 years. Sad
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:18 am

40 years too late, with what, any number of things, or just in tackling extremism and radicalisation?

If it's 40 years too late, and it probably is, does that mean trying to catch up with 40 years worth of things that need doing, or, just accepting that it's too late to do much about it?


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Post  Atlas on Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:03 am




No. What it means is they missed the bloody boat in the 60s - and they still haven't found it in order to have another go. They're thick or stupid or don't care - and by that I mean the politicians whose job it has been (and still is) to have ensured that 'integration' took place from the outset. It's never too late to 'begin' again. But do you see it happening???? Because I don't. And the longer  they just 'hope for the best' the worse it will become. Idiots the lot of them. Couldn't organise 'toss all'. If they are hoping for a 'natural' evolution to ensure full integration then perhaps they should just take a peek across the 'pond'. 250 years there - and counting. It's nothing but a national disgrace for which everyone will pay the price.
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Post  Guest on Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:41 pm

cyfrifia wrote:Exactly. We should be more "vigilant and careful than we are at present ", and a bit quicker about it.  Smile

Cyfi: The follow-up to the murder of Lee Rigby appears to be more vigilant.


UK: Muslim in court for circulating terror videos glorifying Woolwich murder

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/uk-muslim-in-court-for-circulating-terror-videos-glorifying-woolwich

A 22-year-old male has today been charged with terror offences for allegedly making videos about the murder of Lee Rigby, for  publishing a statement glorifying terrorism, and for inciting terrorism overseas …...

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/crime/man-charged-with-terror-offences-1-5945376


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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:33 am

What a horrible man in the video. Mad 

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Post  Poppyanna555 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:36 pm

That's an understatement Cyfrifia! affraid 
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Post  Atlas on Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:58 am




Ignorance and crass stupidity is obviously the drivers main attributes. There are some people who will never be a blessing to society. He hadn't even the gumption to remain anonymous. His card is marked for the rest of his life wherever he goes and young and foolish or not he can forget any future good fortunes. Idiot.Sad
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:16 pm

Security at Buckingham Palace could be better. Armed police confronted Prince Andrew thinking he was an intruder.

Can't blame them really, he is a dodgy looking character

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Post  Guest on Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:50 pm

cyfrifia wrote:.
Armed police confronted Prince Andrew thinking he was an intruder.    
Can't blame them really, he is a dodgy looking character

Cyfrifia:  On what do you base your findings of dodgy looking ? ?



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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:18 pm


Possibly a case of mistaken identity.

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Post  Atlas on Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:06 am

One has to assume the photograph previously displayed has been removed on the basis that the person portrayed might take exception to being described as 'dodgy'. In retrospect I would think he would be somewhat rather pleased to have been portrayed thus as it was in character to that which he portrayed for many years on the small screen and thus a great compliment. Depends which way you look at things.
As for the Prince - they perhaps mistook him for a classified 00 person of some foreign secret service establishment sent to assassinate the corgis. Who knows?????Rolling Eyes Wink 
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:39 am


The photo of the actor George Cole wasn't removed, but stopped 'working' for some reason, here is a better one. Always a pleasure to see him, a favourite 'dodgy' character, who, when in role as a second hand car dealer, does have something of the look of Prince Andrew about him.

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Post  Atlas on Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:32 am

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