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Post  Charly on Sun May 19, 2013 12:28 pm

77 years in TOTAL Cyffi...means that's what they got BETWEEN them...not each
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Re: Serious Case Review (SCR) Rochdale.

Post  Charly on Sun May 19, 2013 12:33 pm

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Five of the men pleaded guilty to charges they faced prior to the start of their trials and were jailed for between two-and-a-half and seven years.

Operation Chalice: Child sex abuse case concludes; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-22379414



The nine defendants were sentenced for a total of 77 years in the 2012 Rochdale grooming trial.

It was reported this week that Rochdale Council’s own review has been delayed, once again.


Between two and half and seven years is an insult to the girls who suffered at their hands
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Post  Hinch on Sun May 19, 2013 12:37 pm

Interesting piece on R4 this morning on a religious programme. Some Muslims expressing concern that they are being demonised and disproportionately targeted in relation to various grooming cases.

They want public funds to be made available so that they can go out to schools, mosques etc to get their message across.

Out of every crisis comes possible job opportunities it seems.

Two conflicting Muslim viewpoints coming across. One that said that it is the schools, mosques and madrassas that are sending out messages re the inferiority of women and the other stressing the opposite and pointing out how highly women are valued within Islamic culture.
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun May 19, 2013 12:42 pm

Charly wrote:77 years in TOTAL Cyffi...means that's what they got BETWEEN them...not each

Crikey! I'm a bit 'number blind', but that was a big mistake, I thought they would be getting life sentences. Sentences of between two and a half and seven years is a total failure of the court system. That will not do, and will not solve the problem or make society safer, these men will be laughing at that, out on the streets and into the takeaways and taxi cabs with exactly the same attitude, (perhaps with more secretive methods) before too long.


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Post  cyfrifia on Sun May 19, 2013 12:46 pm

Hinch wrote:Two conflicting Muslim viewpoints coming across. One that said that it is the schools, mosques and madrassas that are sending out messages re the inferiority of women and the other stressing the opposite and pointing out how highly women are valued within Islamic culture.

The main thing that seems to be on the minds of the grooming apologists is a concern that they must 'grasp the agenda' to prevent right wing groups from doing so. All rather irrelevant to the actual problem and the safety of children


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Post  Poppyanna555 on Sun May 19, 2013 1:11 pm

I totally agree Charly, these sentences are nowhere near long enough for their heinous crimes, their victims will serve a LIFE sentence!
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun May 19, 2013 1:26 pm

These are the sentences of the Rochdale groomers as reported by the BBC.

Kabeer Hassan - 9 years
Abdul Aziz - 9 years
Abdul Rauf - 6 years
Adil Khan -8 years
Mohammed Sajid - 12 years
Mohammed Amin - 5 years.
Hamid Safi - 4 years.
Abdul Qayyum - 5 years.
Alias Yousaf - 19 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17993003

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Post  Hinch on Sun May 19, 2013 2:04 pm

And these can all be halved at least if we are talking about time actually served with time on remand subtracted.

In other words, the four and five year men will be back on the streets next year.
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Post  Guest on Thu May 23, 2013 9:34 pm

Charly wrote:Thursday at 9pm on Channel 4 'The hunt for Britains sex gangs' follows Telford police in Operation Chalice

The Hunt for Britain’s Sex Gangs (Channel 4, Dispatches, 9pm tonight)

Trinity Mirror quotes:

• ‘Perhaps the worst insult is that having been gang-raped by a series of men, the girls were subjected to a similar ordeal in court when seven barristers all took their turn to accuse them of lying.

• Directed by documentary maker Anna Hall, who first learned about this phenomenon of predominantly Pakistani men grooming white schoolgirls 17 years ago, The Hunt for Britain’s Sex Gangs is her third film for Channel 4 on the subject.’


On a mission to expose sexual abuse: -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/may/21/woman-expose-sexual-abuse-telford



reports in the above article about this film maker’s own 17 years’ of awareness and of other agencies information back then appear to offer stark contrast to local “ Establishments' ” perceived platitudes, and their own limited knowledge-actions in recent years.







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Post  Jeanie on Thu May 23, 2013 10:46 pm


I believe many more will be named so lets watch this space regarding all aspects of child abuse.
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu May 23, 2013 11:06 pm

Channel 4 'The hunt for Britains sex gangs'.

The program showed how the police have to struggle with an inadequate court and legal system. Good to see some expertise now being applied to prosecute these particularly nasty criminals.


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Post  mary ann on Fri May 24, 2013 9:22 am

Good to see some expertise now being applied to prosecute these particularly nasty criminals.

[i]Are the 'criminals' you refer to those now in prison or those based in the Town Hall who are just as guilty for doing nothing to stop the events.

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Post  Chill37 on Fri May 24, 2013 9:35 am

mary ann wrote:Good to see some expertise now being applied to prosecute these particularly nasty criminals.

[i]Are the 'criminals' you refer to those now in prison or those based in the Town Hall who are just as guilty for doing nothing to stop the events.

Spot on.

I think it should be both ie ALL.

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Re: Serious Case Review (SCR) Rochdale.

Post  Guest on Fri May 24, 2013 10:05 am



24 May 2013: RMB Council report published


Senior officers of Rochdale Council turned a blind eye to child sex abuse


http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/80570/senior-officers-of-rochdale-council-turned-a-blind-eye-to-child-sex-abuse


The Council had already confirmed that it would only publish an anonymised report.




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Post  cyfrifia on Fri May 24, 2013 10:28 am

Quote: "MP for Rochdale, Simon Danczuk, has called for Roger Ellis to pay back his enormous pension fund, and he said it was wrong that Mr Ellis had been "allowed to escape disciplinary action by taking early retirement".

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/80570/senior-officers-of-rochdale-council-turned-a-blind-eye-to-child-sex-abuse

This report shows that there were alarm bells going off all over the place and they were ignored,” he said. “Senior officers turned a blind eye to child abuse and didn’t want to know. The perpetrators of these terrible crimes and some senior council officers have brought shame on our town.”

The report revealed that the former chief executive, Roger Ellis, “did not appear to be interested in children’s social care issues” and that there was no evidence that Ellis had any intention of investigating the events that led to high profile child sexual abuse cases coming to court.


http://rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/article/80566/-all-they-needed-to-do-was-listen-to-the-victims-says-mp


This is all very sad. I don't see why Roger Ellis, who was responsible, and paid to be responsible at the time should be allowed to run off with the money. A lot more needs investigating, the emphasis now has to be on zero tolerance for the future.

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Post  Guest on Fri May 24, 2013 11:38 am

cyfrifia wrote: ...... A lot more needs investigating ....


Cyffi: Yes, and scapegoating just one named executive on RMB leadership team is unsafe; the Rochdale MP also referred to other implicated senior officers

"All they needed to do was listen to the victims,” says MP


http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/80566/-all-they-needed-to-do-was-listen-to-the-victims-says-mp

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/80570/senior-officers-of-rochdale-council-turned-a-





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Post  cyfrifia on Fri May 24, 2013 12:13 pm

Yes, scapegoating is to be avoided. However, positions of responsibility are just that, and carry responsibility.

The present Chief Executive, Jim Taylor, is quoted as saying “There’s still a lot to do, but we’re improving rapidly.”

That has to be taken seriously, there is still a lot to do. Nothing is 'sorted' as yet.

A change that is needed now and for the future is an attitude of

'Goodbye cultural sensitivity, hello zero tolerance.'

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Post  Spartacus on Fri May 24, 2013 2:28 pm

Well said, Simon Danczuk. Thank you for speaking out and continuing to speak out. Too many have been silent or swallowed their own PR fallacies.

In my opinion, those in senior positions at the Council, who have let our children down, need to face some consequences for their actions or lack of them.

I appreciate everything Jim Taylor has said and I hope he is allowed to sweep and cleanse everywhere within the Council where this festering pool of immorality has been permitted to flourish.

I also think it is time, the vast majority of this Borough, who are good people, stood up and did some cleaning of our own!

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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:12 pm

A serious case review at Wakefield, into the murders of Kim Frank and Samantha Sykes by Ahmad Otak, has similar themes to the grooming cases in Rochdale. The two reviews, when completed should perhaps be compared, if 'lessons are to be learned'.

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Council could be replaced if they ignore this?

Post  Equalliser on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:23 pm

w...gov.uk/government/publications/improvement-notice-issued-to-rochdale-metropolitan-borough-council

can someone please add URL info, I can't because I am a new member. thx


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Post  Hinch on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:30 pm

I first broke this story for Rochdale Online.
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:00 pm

R.M.B.C. seemed to view that Improvement Notice as an internal matter of no public interest?

Have all the necessary improvements required in Children’s Social Care Services listed there now been made? Who knows? Who will tell? We have heard some broad, positive statements, but, the devil is in the detail. Details that have previously been overlooked on a grand scale.

The impression is that the new Chief Exec., Jim Taylor has grasped the nettles and vigorously put in place a series of attempts to cover and improve a disastrous situation. The problems are deeply embedded though, it would be reckless to assume they have gone away. That 'deeply embedded' aspect is what distinguishes Rochdale from other towns with similar problems.

In retrospect of what went on in R.M.B.C. when 'alarm bells were ringing'; to establish confidence in Rochdale generally, those who wrecked it's reputation need to face the consequences. If they fade from view, to enjoy the rewards of incompetence, it hardly sets a good precedent for the future.

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Post  Guest on Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:06 pm

Equalliser wrote:w...gov.uk/government/publications/improvement-notice-issued-to-rochdale-metropolitan-borough-council

can someone please add URL info, I can't because I am a new member. thx


Equaliser: - Welcome to Rochdale Talk. I think you've to be a Member for 7 days before directly adding/using an URL. The 'breaking' story ref was posted sometime back in April, on this thread , i.e.




I think the Improvement Notice was also part of a national Policy: Making local councils more transparent and accountable to local people Rolling Eyes

URL you requested to the actual Improvement Notice: -

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/improvement-notice-issued-to-rochdale-metropolitan-borough-council



Then, we had the dreary, long-awaited council’s own review published: -

24 May 2013 : -

http://www.rochdale.gov.uk/the_council/policies_and_plans/reviews/independent_review_of_cse.aspx


That appeared tedious, lacklustre and undistinguished against the original 'review context' implied last year, so comments about it may be seen, perhaps predictably, as remarkable by their very absence .... I do wonder how many people actually read it!



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