Why so vicious?

A brief selection of local violence.

kicked in the face
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85413/armed-robbers-attack-shop-worker

punched to the ground and kicked in the throat
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85406/man-assaulted-in-heywood-in-unprovoked-attack

robbed at knife point
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85400/woman-robbed-at-knife-point-in-morrisons-car-park

Elbowed in the face and  nearly put in a headlock, a 14 yr old Rochdale boy fought off two robbers.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/teen-fights-thugs-who-attacked-6712978

Some Rochdale folk are the nicest people you could hope to meet, and they do have some 'grit' about them.

I might come and look round the shops, but need more practice with the numchucks first.

Is that numchucks or numbchucks?? Please explain. Ta.  

Nobody knows how to spell numchucks, a traditional weapon of self defence, chinese rice flails, the idea being that you can be just getting on with your day, using an everyday object, but know how to use it in self defence. I don't really practice using them, since I banged my finger having a go, it was meant more as a way of saying that not everybody that is attacked on the streets is as able to defend themself and run away as the 14yr old boy in the news story proved to be, and might give a thought to their own self defence.

Ahh! 'Chuck' being an endearment ergo one's 'chucks' meaning more than one - perhaps two boyfriends or something similar had me thinking you speaking in the derogatory sense of some of your 'friends'. Which is why I questioned the spelling. Unknown to me was the Chinese connection. Doesn't surprise me. Them bloody Chinese get everywhere. Tch.    

More violent attacks.

serious head injuries
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85451/man-in-critical-condition-after-assault-at-heywood-flat

injuries believed to be life threatening.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85450/man-attacked-outside-middleton-pub-suffers-life-threatening-injuries

cyfrifia wrote:More violent attacks.

serious head injuries
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85451/man-in-critical-condition-after-assault-at-heywood-flat

injuries believed to be life threatening.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85450/man-attacked-outside-middleton-pub-suffers-life-threatening-injuries

Hmmm i note that the 'everything is positve' camps are very quiet of late. With no repeat uttering from certain people on FB sites saying that the streets are safe and everyone is safe at any time any place in Rochdale - especailly women.

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/88081/woman-pulls-knife-from-her-chest-after-being-stabbed

It might not be the best idea to pull a knife out of your chest after being stabbed, it could increase the bleeding? It's the sort of thing people need to know more about really, the way things are.

There has always been violence in the town, usually drink related, and therefore such incidents are not uncommon to the population. What is a new twist is the 'depth' of violence used in many cases and the depravity. It's as though the 'animal' known as homo-sapien has over the last couple of generations lost any sort of decency or balance. When a man was 'down' in my day - that was it. One didn't then proceed to stomp him to death for the fun of it. To hit a woman - especially in public - was considered cowardly and could get the man severely beaten himself.
I can only assume that the sanctions for such actions do not match the severity of the crime and are therefore no longer considered a deterrent.  - - - So let's all become beasts then shall we!!!! Hail the modern era. A world of brave stallions. 

We, like sheep
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11766870.Slaughterhouse_licence_suspended/?ref=rss

Is that why you eat them?

There is no excuse for slaughtermen to behave as shown in the video, using their job as an opportunity to inflict suffering on helpless animal victims, they show themselves to be generally dangerous.

Just one of many reports of vicious cruelty in Halal slaughterhouses in the UK.

People of all religions and none can be ignorant and cruel, but these slaughtermen are presenting themselves as positively cruel, resonating with the hacking beheadings, such a feature of news reports of Islamic state.

There is a range of opinion as to the 'rights' of animals, but commonsense and decency says animals we slaughter for food must be slaughtered humanely.

Religions change and hopefully evolve in time, cultural norms change. Islam is divided into warring factions, some following the ideal of peace, others deliberately and purpousefully unleashing evil into the world. 

Well, it's our world, so, it's our problem.

If you take out the word 'Halal' you have the issue.

This is a problem with all slaughter houses - nothing to do with Halal, Islam or any such.

Take out that word if you like, Johnb., as you say the issue remains the same. The word halal is only important when looking to find a solution. Many of the reports of cruelty in slaughterhouses of recent years are about halal slaughter, which does seem to present it's own problems. But yes, I agree, animals will not be fussed about the religion and culture of their torturers, just that they be stopped.

There is no need to be cruel to your victim before murdering him. Not much more to say really. Other than I see no reason why British laws have to be 'only for some'. If in Britain and British then why do some have a special dispensation??? Does that apply to 'grooming and sex trafficking as well'? Now there's a question -!

It's a big mistake to be cruel to someone or something you intend to kill. If you must kill, either in war or for food, here is nothing there to be gained by being cruel, and everything to lose.

The only reason to be cruel is if you enjoy being cruel, if you do, you may have been given a human body, but sadly failed, as yet, to become human.

As for muslim slaughtermen who are cruel to a sheep they are going to kill, break it's legs, mock it and hack at it's throat with a blunt knife, I understand from my Islamic studies, as a result of such actions, black snakes will congregate in their grave and devour their soul, so, probably not a good idea, all things considered.

To believe in the end result of ones grave as such described one must first believe in the dogma. It is doubtful that these slaughter-men do unless they haven't done their studies properly - in which case perhaps someone should remind them. Will that change them? No. It is obviously a mind quirk whereby the blood leads them to do things they wouldn't normally do or they are psychopaths to begin with. In which case the rest of us should watch out -Ooooo!

The particular slaughtermen in the video may well be ignorant of their own religion. Most likely they are just ignorant, which is unfortunate for them.

Islam is not a religion that can be shrugged off when it is inconvenient, a muslim cannot stop being a muslim. It is as well if believers understand at least the important basics of their religion.

Allah the creator, amongst his many mercies, provides animals such as sheep for his followers to eat. Allah has revealed certain truths. The moment when man kills a sheep for food is a significant life and death moment, a time for prayer.

It is said that the true and skilled muslim slaughterer will sense the moment when the animal, responding to the situation of prayer, accepts it's fate, whatever that may be, slaughter with a truly sharp knife will then be almost painless.

Allah is manifest in the animal and in the moment he has created and provided. To laugh and mock the sheep is to laugh and mock Allah, to inflict cruelty and broken bones on the animal before it is slaughtered is an absolute desecration, which cannot be forgiven, and the consequences cannot be avoided. The muslim who behaves this way seals his own fate, either out of ignorance or his own evil nature, and will inevitably suffer torment and spiritual death, as illustrated in the story of black snakes in the grave that devour his soul. Take it as metaphor or fact, it doesn't matter, the result is the same.

To be fully aware of this is good advice, and is one explanation of why there is no advantage in being cruel to an animal you are about to kill, and everything to lose.

Followers of other religions will understand the general gist of this, and those of no religion will understand that to increase the suffering of the world we live in is stupid.

Society has a duty not to allow those too ignorant or stupid to understand such basic matters to slaughter animals.

May your God go with you.

The first and only criteria is that we are born human. Unless nature has(in all its imperfections) given a life that is not of rational or logical thought (whatever that may mean) it is human nature to respect what nature has provided. To kill, murder, execute or whatever you want to call it animals for sustenance is a part of our survival instinct and as such could be determined as a necessity (others -especially vegetarians etc would disagree) which should not in any circumstances require torture as a part of its ritual. And therefore cruelty in whatever form is totally unacceptable. So we agree on this regardless of religions or politics and requires neither subject to substantiate. Let us hope that this particular episode has had a desired affect on others.

This, looks like the work of the gang you mention, or someone very similar.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3701525/Wheelchair-bound-amputee-grandmother-suffers-horrific-head-facial-injuries-night-time-raid-masked-men-posing-police.html

What to do with them when they are caught though? Community service might not be appropriate.

As before. If they continue along these same lines they will get caught. When caught a custodial sentence will be given due to the serious nature of the battering. What they stand to lose should one of their victims die as a result of GBH, and this is very possible given the age group they are targeting, will be their liberties for a very long time. Given the 'haul' accrued from these forays it would seem that the risk isn't worth the effort. Obviously shows their lack of intelligence is somewhat on a lower level than that of a gnat. A product of our times. Uneducated, undisciplined and ignorant. Coupled with the fact that they are probably druggies and are out of their heads for most of the time. In reality they should be 'put down' along with many others of a similar ilk. But hey - we don't do those things any more do we. We are better educated and more civilised - aren't we.

Civilised? Sort of, we fail as a society to protect the vulnerable from these attacks. People, 'thugs' as the media call them acting in this criminal and insane way need to be legally defined as criminally insane and indefinitely contained.

I would say only a very few are 'criminally insane'. In the main they are inadequate, somewhat ignorant and given the ease at which their type of crime can be carried out and the lack of adequate sanction upon capture allows them an almost free hand to pursue their actions without fear of retribution. In the old days they would have met with an accident on the way to the cells or at some juncture in-between sentencing - in other words - a good towelling from the cops in addition to prison for 6 months. Such 'treatment' had its effect - as much as society frowned upon it. If we must insist upon justice being seen to be done in a sterile atmosphere then we must continue to accept these sorts of crimes within our present day society.

The victim of that crime is now in a coma, on life support in intensive care, fighting for life.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/grandma-attacked-ashton-barbara-dransfield-11654455

Priority of course is to find and arrest the criminals. Whether they are sane or insane is, apparently, a matter of opinion. My definition of sane does not include people who commit such violence in such circumstances.