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Post  Hinch on Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:44 am




http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/83728/news-full#comments-end

I see JB pasted on Facebook that some people felt concerns years ago.

Another negative borough connection.



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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:40 pm

Hinch wrote:

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/83728/news-full#comments-end

I see JB pasted on Facebook that some people felt concerns years ago.

Another negative borough connection.
It seems like he just crossed the border, into Yorkshire, to avoid 'general public' awareness of his more dubious activities when he was a Rochdale Councillor and local SS Committee member.  


More than horror at his annual salary as Chair of an alleged "ethical" Co-Op Bank, I'm appalled at the 'powerful political' connections that appear to run through his and others' elevated positions / rise - not least of which was his appointment in 2010 by the Labour Leader, Ed Milliband, to the Labour Party's Finance and Industry Board.   



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Post  johnb on Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:24 pm



That is not entirely correct:

The Methodist Church "moved him on" rather rapidly to Bridlington when his position in Rochdale Methodist Circuit became untenable.

Reasoning to this being he would be at less risk of temptation from the bright lights (of Manchester).
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Post  Hinch on Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:28 pm



I bet his sermons on brotherly love were delivered in a particularly impassioned manner.
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Post  Jeanie on Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:23 pm

Hinch wrote:  I bet his sermons on brotherly love were delivered in a particularly impassioned manner.  

    Amen !
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:55 am



From what was said in his 6th November interview with the Commons Treasury Committee, it appears that Reverend Flowers was connected in a web of corruption. This diabolical saga has many implications.




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Re: Paul Flowers: Another proud Rochdale connection

Post  Hinch on Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:31 am

Jeanie wrote:
Hinch wrote:  I bet his sermons on brotherly love were delivered in a particularly impassioned manner.  
    Amen !
More like "Ahhh.... Men!!!"

Why are Rochdale Online the only news organisation to publish information re Flowers' sexual criminal history? Nary a word from the BBC. I don't give a toss about anyone's sex lives but surely, if they have been charged and convicted of sexual offences, it indicates that an organisation such as a bank should run a mile because of the potential risk and the big question mark about their judgement?
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:28 am



And that's just one important question. There are so many question marks following him, he would need a trailer behind his car to carry them.



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Post  Hinch on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:36 am




I like Robert Peston's line on R4 that it would be hard to imagine anyone less qualified to share a major bank although Peston stays well clear of any comment re the sexual allegations. 

I like to see that the Methodist Church appears to have taken a leaf out of the Roman church's book and simply moves its errant clerics on to other parishes in order to reflect and possibly reform.



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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:20 am

Some of the answers Reverend Flowers gave to the Commons Committee were a bit rambling. e.g.

Reverend Flowers: "Forgive me, I know that it was. The month before, he and I had been on an official visit to China, where we had a number of commercial interests at the time. I recall spending a particularly sunny afternoon in my hotel room in Shanghai with Mr. Richardson, and the only sustenance that we had between us was half a bottle of white wine, and having a very long discussion about all of these issues. I know, from that very long discussion with him, that the actual import of the matter was about whether or not he would be top dog."

Transcript http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/treasury/TC%206-11-13.pdf

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Post  Atlas on Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:26 am




Just yet another example of chicanery that a person so 'stained' manages to wend his way into top management and yet 'NOBODY' knew of his past. Too ridiculous to even contemplate. Smacks of 'extraneous pressures' to me. Somebody somewhere had something to hide. Either that or they were complete idiots and shouldn't have been in a position to promote the man to such a top job in the first place. It's laughable - just about. Another great institution and of great pride to Rochdale ends up in the trash can. Let's all thank our great peers for trashing our history - YET AGAIN.Sad


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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:46 am



Atlas wrote:It's laughable - just about.

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Post  Mulldog on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:56 pm

cyfrifia wrote:

Atlas wrote:It's laughable - just about.
 



I've seen that machine at the top of Yorkshire St?


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Re: Paul Flowers: Another proud Rochdale connection

Post  Hinch on Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:23 am

Consentual sex in public toilets was classified as Gross Indecency all those years ago – subject to a fine & police caution. It reads like he has scooted off overseas. The cops should have gone to interview him/arrest on suspicion of Class A drug crimes, then bailed, the same day/immediately they had sight or knowledge of the video. 

Reverend Paul Flowers used his Co-op bank email account to organise nights with a £650-per-session rent boy, it emerged today. The disgraced Methodist minister, 63, who was forced to quit his £130,000 role in June, organised drug-fuelled gay sex at hotels while he was still in the job, according to the escort involved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2509803/Co-ops-Rev-Paul-Flowers-committed-gross-indecency-man-public-toilets-30-years-ago.html

I remain intrigued that RO was the only media organisation to refer to Flowers'' sexual history until yesterday.
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:54 am

At least the national media don't appear to be much interested in the time he spent in Rochdale at the Cyril Smith school of Political Etiquette. We won't mention his involvement with the satanic abuse episode. Bradford seems to be enough for them.

If we are to believe allegations that Reverend Flowers made false expenses claims of about £150,000 when he was Chairman of the Trustees of 'Lifeline' charity, was he paid that amount? Some or any of it?

The so called 'Charity Commission', will of course have played it's normal role in these matters of saying, doing and knowing nothing.

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:47 pm



National media interest does seem to be rising about the time Paul Flowers spent in Rochdale -

it was reported yesterday that he received a conviction for drink-driving while serving as a councillor here, followed by a drink driving ban.



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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:23 pm

The media have probably filed Rochdale under child sexual abuse and grooming gangs.

The emphasis on the Flowers case seems to be banking collapse, where 'donations' went, failure of regulation and who knew what in national politics.

Rochdale doesn't really need any more bad press does it, or are we thinking that a further accumulation of horror revelations may bring about a big change?

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Post  Spartacus on Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:54 pm

cyfrifia wrote:At least the national media don't appear to be much interested in the time he spent in Rochdale at the Cyril Smith school of Political Etiquette. We won't mention his involvement with the satanic abuse episode. Bradford seems to be enough for them.

Twitter rumours the Daily Mail is about to go to press with an explosive story tying Flowers with Cyril Smith.

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Post  Atlas on Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:15 am





One  shouldn't listen or read 'rumour'. Bad for the soul brother/sister.Wink



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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:07 pm

With friends / political contacts in high places, a ' hapless victim ' portrait seems to have been very well developed.


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Post  Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:06 pm



Ex Co-op Bank boss Paul Flowers charged with drug possession

He arrived with two “Minders”    Suspect  Suspect 

 Exclamation    He stated, "The BBC have been really nice to me, but the rest of you are vultures." : -

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/ex-co-op-bank-boss-paul-6995764




As a local Cllr on RMB Social Services Committee when Knowl View School was 'under review' about child abuse allegations, prior to it's closure, I wonder if he will be, or has been, questioned about his role and events at that time.    Rolling Eyes

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Re: Paul Flowers: Another proud Rochdale connection

Post  Hinch on Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:35 pm

Good report from BBC. Will action finally be taken?

Wonder what odds BetFred will give me?

Poor Mr ?Rev) Flowers really does like to paint himself as some sort of innocent victim led astray by human frailty and looking hurt when we don't all rush to extend to him the Christian charity he so obviously feels he richly deserves. No wonder he was able to operate like he did. Interesting talking to some of your old chums on the Methodist Circuit in Rochdale

Sorry Paul, the world ain't like that. It's full of nasty people who expect a higher moral lead from those who ponce around in clerical garb telling the rest of us how we should behave.

And yes, the media do like to pick over the carcass of those fallen from grace and found as apparently wanting as yourself. You have flown high on fat salaries, mingling with the great and the good for many years. Now its time to pay up. (Render unto Caesar etc.)

Don't blame the media for your fall but instead, reflect upon Numbers Chapter 32, Verse 33, "But if you will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the Lord and be sure your sins will find you out." There endeth the Lesson for today.

All in all, you'll not do too badly. Not likely to serve any jail time are you? No doubt, you'll do a Jimmy Swaggart, shed a few tears, make a public repentance and go on to impress your flock with your rediscovered humility for years to come.

There will no doubt be a book, if not a film to top up your pension.

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Post  Atlas on Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:48 am


I would concur with those sentiments and likewise find this person's actions unconscionable.

As for the 'Co-Op' itself and the way that it attempts to operate and compete against 'privately owned' companies I find myself somewhat less surprised. Mutuals are very difficult organisations to control. Too much interference in the main which leads to conflicts of interest and best intentions and results in either in-action or replication or intentional damage, for the best of possible reasons of course, all of which lead to chaos when their should be harmony (of a sort -albeit less than ingenious). The bigger it became and the worse the chaos. How it overcomes all of that will probably be in a change of emphasis, a shedding of areas that are less profitable and a realisation that co-operation has to be wholesale and mutual to work properly. And that isn't possible in today's world. Sad really -  but unsurprising.   No  Crying or Very sad

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