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Post  Hinch on Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:34 am



Well, I'm well on the way through my Xmas shopping and I'm afraid that the High Street has fared very badly. Some of this is because of the fact that I am on crutches but more is to do with being canny with my cash and consumer choice.

I've ordered my turkey and ham from my local butchers but almost all the rest of my food and booze will be bought from supermarkets using the stamps we have purchased throughout the year and discounts earned via our Tesco Club Card.

Spent a lot on toys, DVDs, books and clothes but have done about 90% of this on t'internet with discounts of up to 50% on ebay, Amazon, Argos and others plus some stuff, you just can't buy locally any more. I wanted to buy my friend a nice pipe and some special tobacco but my nearest specialist tobacconist is over 20 miles away! Once, Rochdale had three!

Stephen King's new book, 'Dr Sleep', is £19.99 in my local independent bookshop. It's £9 in Asda. It's a no-brainer!

I have thankfully avoided the bearpit that is the Trafford Centre though I might brave The Rock in Bury to go to M&S. All I have bought in Rochdale were some cheap candles from The Range.

I know our local retailers are struggling but I'm sorry, I just can't afford to pay up to a 50% more and have such a limited choice as well as taking my chance on cheap, available parking.


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Re: Xmas shopping: Where to buy?

Post  Chill37 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:11 am



Nothing wrong is going elsewhere to get what you need and not pay through the nose as per your examples.  The Rock at Bury isnt that bad when compared to Trafford Centre. Which I will not go near at this time of year!  I may lose a limb or something.

TBH Hinch at least we can debate this type of issue on here without anyone jumping in with the new buzz word 'negative' or even disloyal and trying to stiffle the debate.   Not good.


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Re: Xmas shopping: Where to buy?

Post  Hinch on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:34 am



Agree totally Chill. If you listen to some of the voices, all you seem to hear is 'poor downtrodden local retailer' with the choice and price-driven shopper being painted as 'the enemy'.

All I'm saying is, "Offer me something I really want to buy at a price I can afford."

Yes, I love to browse at my local bookseller but I'm not willing to pay an additional 60% for the privilege. Perhaps a return to Christmas Clubs could help retailers assist their customers to spread the cost and encourage customer loyalty? Far too many put their prices up at Christmas then drop them in the New Year. That's not showing me much loyalty.

Basically, I'm doing what I've always done; looking for a bargain and choosing to buy at a price that meets my pocket. I don't owe any retailer a living whether they are based on my High St or on the Internet. I will certainly never knowingly choose to pay more because a cabal of local shopkeepers backed by TCM have tried to prick my conscience. My role as a consumer is not to provide them with an unconditional source of income.

If I want to give to charity, there are plenty to choose from.


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Re: Xmas shopping: Where to buy?

Post  Chill37 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:51 am



Agreed Hinch.

In this day and age you have to budget and watch the pennies.  But, according the masses out there, if you cant find it in Rochdale you go without, as you are disloyal to go elsewhere


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Re: Xmas shopping: Where to buy?

Post  Dalelad on Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:43 pm

Yes, the internet and massively powerful supermarkets have put paid to the traditional high street. It's hard to pay more for something than you need to, just for the greater good, whatever that might be. Now if councils were to try to make it easier and cheaper to run a shop on the high street then that might change things. Whatever anyone thinks about the Feel Good Cafe episode, the fact that the rates were £30k a year is unbelievable. Surely £5k or less is more realistic, and then perhaps shops could afford to move in with decent goods as cheap as the supermarkets.

As for the internet, when you can have an idea about buying something, source and order it in two minutes from the comfort of your home, there isn't a right lot can compete with that, is there?
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Post  Poppyanna555 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:26 pm

I bought a clothes drier a couple of months ago, went into a store in town and was told delivery would take a week with a £10 delivery charge (I only live a mile and a half away)! Went online when I came back, ordered the same drier, free delivery, they took my old one away and....they delivered the next day. Yes I had to pay for next day delivery, but is still worked out cheaper than buying it from the store in town.

I don't buy too much online at all, I prefer to see what I am buying but, in this case there was no contest!
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Post  Chill37 on Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:21 am

Dalelad wrote:Yes, the internet and massively powerful supermarkets have put paid to the traditional high street. It's hard to pay more for something than you need to, just for the greater good, whatever that might be. Now if councils were to try to make it easier and cheaper to run a shop on the high street then that might change things. Whatever anyone thinks about the Feel Good Cafe episode, the fact that the rates were £30k a year is unbelievable. Surely £5k or less is more realistic, and then perhaps shops could afford to move in with decent goods as cheap as the supermarkets.

As for the internet, when you can have an idea about buying something, source and order it in two minutes from the comfort of your home, there isn't a right lot can compete with that, is there?
Some great points there. 30k a year rates will put anyone off opening a business straight away.

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Post  Hinch on Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:29 am

Yes Poppy, the disadvantage of Internet buying is that you can't really see the goods you intend to purchase and chat to salespeople. I recently bought a washer-drier on the net and had I not gone into Currys and seen it for myself, I'd have been buying a pig in a poke.

The company I bought from, Electrcials Direct, offered me a timed delivery, a brilliant and cheap extended warranty plus the item was £80 cheaper. In addition, their telephone sales staff were extremely helpful with a follow up call to check that everything was going well with my purchase. I was impressed. They beat the a*** off Currys in virtually every respect. They also offer you the facility to see what other customers thought about the product, something that High St outlets don't do.

I find that even where prices are broadly similar, companies both on and off the Internet and High St let themselves down with their delivery options or lack of them. They should at least be able to deliver within 2-3 days and offer a morning or afternoon slot.

OK, ok, I know. It's not a level playing field but when was retailing ever based on a level site? Larger outlets have always been able to negotiate better deals from suppliers and many continue to offer loss-leaders etc.

The situation with the Feelgood Cafe is a dangerous one. A council should not be able to just decide which businesses pay rates and which don't.
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Re: Xmas shopping: Where to buy?

Post  cyfrifia on Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:33 am




According to Councillor Farooq Ahmed, the Council does have such discretionary powers with regards to business rates. If  R.M.B.C.  really do have extensive discretionary 'wriggle room' in the matter of business rates, widely blamed as the last straw for many shops and businesses, it would be interesting to know more about the nature and extent of these discretionary powers, and how they might be more usefully applied.


http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/83434/feel-good-cafe-expansion-greeted-with-anger



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Post  Atlas on Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:23 am


And how might you suggest they do that? Let's see - . Hmm- What's our favourite shop? We will give them a 40% rebate. Opps - well I suppose we shall have to include every shop in the town as well otherwise - - ?
That's how many 100's of thousands of pounds less revenue?
You make it sound as if it's easy. Attract more business by lopping off the rates? I'm sure you would be the first to scream 'cuts, cuts and more cuts because the town no longer has sufficient funding to operate properly. It's already a cut to the bone situation. So that's a none-starter isn't it?
There are no magic panaceas for what's ailing the town.

The malaise of decades has worn out whatever spirit there was. Only new people with new ideas and the will to succeed for the town can even begin to bring it back to what it once was and I'm not sure that 'will' exists anymore. Sad to say.Sad Crying or Very sad Question

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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:15 am

How business rates could be adjusted will depend on the discretionary powers available and mechanisms by which they are collected.

A percentage cut fixed for three years, across the board seems fairest. There will be a mathematics as to what percentage may balance business survival with maximum revenue.

A suitably competent person with access to relevant data and information should be able to approximate that within a reasonable time. If it shows adjustment to business rates is barking up the wrong tree, at least it has been looked at.

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Post  Atlas on Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:29 am



Makes more sense. A calculation of the 'town's' previous years GDP might be a sound basis to work from which spread across the board may wheedle out the incompetent traders from the rest. Competition has to be a level playing field when the 'powers that be' are involved and market forces have to operate within its own parameters for business to work efficiently. I see nothing wrong in each 'area' making adjustments for the 'workings' of that area in order that the UK market functions within the capabilities of the populace - as do London and 'working practice and pay level' adjustments for that area. It cannot be said that the rest of the country has the same 'needs' as is apparent to be seen even to a blind man.   But I'm not so sure the intelligent great and good have moved thus far into such logical thinking.Rolling Eyes

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Post  Chill37 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:02 am

I noted your comments over on FB Hinch about the Promote Rochdale document. I wasnt surprised when the usual suspects rolled out the word negative out to supress discussion and debate.

Mind boggles

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Post  Hinch on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:06 am




In a way Chill, I think it's Rochdale's biggest problem. If you write anything about the place without mentioning our wonderful Town Hall,  stunning moorland views, Hollingworth Lake and our fantastic, friendly inhabitants, you are seen as being negative.

When will this town learn to look at itself in the mirror now and then?
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Post  Chill37 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:14 am

Hinch wrote:In a way Chill, I think it's Rochdale's biggest problem. If you write anything about the place without mentioning our wonderful Town Hall,  stunning moorland views, Hollingworth Lake and our fantastic, friendly inhabitants, you are seen as being negative.

When will this town learn to look at itself in the mirror now and then?
Indeed.  Or even mention crime rates (despite recently released figures showing sexual crime has increased) as our streets are safe.  Another page on FB has banned talk about TBA as , I quote which I believe was one of the Mods, 'I wont have anything negative a bout Rochdale said. That to me is wrong, TBA is a massive problem you cant ignore history

Still did you know we have a loverly Town Hall?


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Post  Hinch on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:25 am



Bloody typical.

My point on the FB thread is about the advert which is misleading bordering on dishonest. Forgotten by my critics is the fact that I propose an imaginative and more appealing way of writing it. 

Rochdale is not an investment Shangri La... Geddit!
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Post  Jeanie on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:29 pm


Still did you know we have a loverly Town Hall?

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Yes but the Civic Carol Service won't be held there this year the Mayor want's it in Heywood so much for traditions! we are supposed to be one Metropolitan Borough of Rochdale ?
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Post  Chill37 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:29 am



We like to think we are one Borough.

Personally, maybe we should rotate where the service is held.  Rotate through all of our Town Ships.




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Re: Xmas shopping: Where to buy?

Post  Hinch on Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:46 am




Perhaps hold it in Central Mosque next year?


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