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Re: Use it or lose it

Post  Atlas on Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:22 am



affraid affraid You should live here. Next Wednesday can mean tomorrow, next week, next month or next year depending on whether you spoke in Welsh, had a Welsh accent or not. I regularly have Welsh speaking people arranging both times and prices for me as it can make a huge difference in both. Some times hundreds of pounds when dealing with large orders. Don't be kidded. Nationalism is still very much alive and well in my area. English speaking means you probably have plenty of money and therefore it's rip-off time. I kid you not. Sad when you consider the hundreds of years which have passed since 'Union'.
  But shows human nature for what it is - ergo - tribal.
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Re: Use it or lose it

Post  cyfrifia on Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:39 am

That must be quite annoying for someone who is trying to get things done. As you note, tribalism, or medium sized communities does seem to be a natural way for people to live.

Some communities in Wales and in Scotland, and others scattered around the UK measure their well-being in terms of how effectively they are isolated and geographically defended from England, and  particularly from the London area.

That is reflected in the drive towards Scottish independence, Welsh defensiveness and pride in regional identity.

People who live in and appreciate a nice bit of landscape and countryside do value that, and the influence of England generally seems to be to spoil those landscapes one way or the other. There was something in the news about a lot of wind turbines planned for Wales.

Historically England has not made itself popular with it's immediate neighbors, but nowadays people in more remote areas of the UK see the creep of development, anonymous looking housing developments, gruesome looking industrial stuff, invading the places they used to know and enjoy.

For it's neighbors, England is something to be wary of, England seems to be going through a new stage of self destruction, with an expanding and alienated population, such economic demands on the landscape, and a way of life and going on that is simply unpleasant.

The hiding behind language barriers and other things described is perfectly understandable really, why would people want to co-operate with the destruction of the places and communities where they have reasonably happy lives?

Only if they are persuaded that what you are doing is a better alternative development than what might otherwise happen, but logic doesn't always come into these things.

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Re: Use it or lose it

Post  Atlas on Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:33 am

The only argument I have regarding your appraisals are the one's that go - we never have enough jobs for our people - we are always last in the queue for assistance, subsidies, grants etc etc - we never have enough monies put into services - we never have the wage levels others in the UK seem to attract. Oh?
Well I wonder why? What's that -? You want your own tax raising powers and Independence to follow so that your non-existent economy can provide you with a better way of life - without of course the industrialisation or commercialisation and the housing and the hustle and bustle that will of course endanger your well defined rural, laid back, semi-Victorian scenic vistas and lives. What's wrong with that aspiration?
And how does tribalism and historical perceived wrongs help? Yes cyfryia you did get it right - but you can't have the penny and the gingerbread as well.
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:14 pm

Tribalism and historical perceived wrongs are problematic, both are embedded in most societies and in how people think. How best to manage them is a big question, and may be beyond the scope of an internet forum. Perhaps someone will come up with ideas.

Changing gear down to the more localised pennies and gingerbread theme, it's just as possible to be poor and unemployed living in an industrial landscape as it is in a countryside area. Developments in a country landscape, like a gas terminal, a railway line, huge mechanised farm, quarry or couple of hundred windmills, may contribute to the national economy, but doesn't immediately mean improved living standards for locals, probably specialist workers from far afield will construct and run it. Locals may be more effected by the scars on the landscape and not be co-operative or enthusiastic.

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Post  Admin on Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:27 pm

The company we approached in Rochdale were the same firm who designed the teapot logo on the wall of the Co-op museum on Toad Lane. We also approached another local company based in Heywood and got a ping-back acknowledgement but 6 days later they have failed to get in touch.

Buy local? Fat chance. They obviously don't need the money.

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Re: Use it or lose it

Post  keithatrochdale on Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:19 pm




Have you approached Hopwood Hall or the sixth form college?
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Re: Use it or lose it

Post  Atlas on Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:23 am



I've done that in the past keithatrochdale. Took forever. I have one project on the go at present - so far - over six months before the 'design and measurements' came through.

I'm not one to 'knock' but - will I live that long I ask myself. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  Admin on Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:02 pm

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