GMP: How do they get away with it?

Any reply from the PCC?

Chill37 wrote:
Any reply from the PCC?

Chill37: It said on the TV news that its 2 years since Anthony Granger was shot dead but there still hasn’t been a Coroner’s Inquest so GMP is unable to make further comment !

Mojo Hill wrote:

Chill37 wrote:
Any reply from the PCC?

Chill37: It said on the TV news that its 2 years since Anthony Granger was shot dead but there still hasn’t been a Coroner’s Inquest so GMP is unable to make further comment !

As Hinch said.  

My point is that the PCC is so eager to spout and give little PR press releases at every given chance.  Yet in cases like this and the child abuse where the very Police force he is in charge off is roundly savaged in a SCR,  we dont even hear anything from him.
Why?

As for the coroners inquest , if none has been held, how can HSE bring charges?

I'm confused.

Chill37 wrote:

As for the coroners inquest , if none has been held, how can HSE bring charges?

I'm confused.

Chill37:         But this one isn't a HSE case.      It's a CPS decision and news reported....  

'Prosecutors with the CPS decided there won’t be charges for murder, manslaughter or misconduct in public office, because they decided a jury would be likely to accept the Firearms officer believed his actions were necessary.

The Crown Prosecution Service believes there is "sufficient evidence" to prove the force broke health and safety laws.

The Chief Constable will not share any criminal liability of the GMP, nor will he personally have to appear in court.  '   ( Whose Watch it took place on doesn't seem to come into it     .)

It is complicated and confusing. The systems involved, so called reviews and coroners reports are slow, technical and ponderous. The blunt reality behind all this is government failure to control the flow of guns into the country and into criminal possession. Armed criminals means armed police, then people get shot, one way or the other.

Mojo Hill wrote:

Chill37 wrote:

As for the coroners inquest , if none has been held, how can HSE bring charges?

I'm confused.

Chill37:         But this one isn't a HSE case.      It's a CPS decision and news reported....  

'Prosecutors with the CPS decided there won’t be charges for murder, manslaughter or misconduct in public office, because they decided a jury would be likely to accept the Firearms officer believed his actions were necessary.

The Crown Prosecution Service believes there is "sufficient evidence" to prove the force broke health and safety laws.

The Chief Constable will not share any criminal liability of the GMP, nor will he personally have to appear in court.  '   ( Whose Watch it took place on doesn't seem to come into it     .)

Again thank you.

Told you I was confused.com!

Chill:  This one was a HSE case ...  Police force and firearm officer fined over PC death.     12 July 2013 at Manchester Crown Court

Greater Manchester Police were fined £166,666 and ordered to pay costs of £90,000 for breaching Section 2 of the Health and Safety at Work Act; i.e. the sentence given out for failings/death by shooting was a fine  ….

Officers of the Health and Safety Executive had worked tirelessly over the preceding 5 years in pursuit of the truth, according to his widow and family.

PC Ian Terry, age 32, died after he was shot by a GMP colleague during a 2008 firearms training session.   A HSE Principal Inspector had said his death was entirely preventable. He'd been a Rochdale PC

Ref     http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2013/hse-ian-terry.htm

The way the police operate generally is in the news at the moment, a difference of opinion between The Chief Inspector of Constabulary, Mr. Tom Winsor, and West Midlands Police Chief Constable Chris Sims, who does not recognise Mr. Windsors impression.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-25795259

Mr. Winsor said:"some ethnic minority communities are turning their backs on police and rarely, if ever, call them to deal with crimes as serious as murder and sexual assaults against children, instead dealing with them in their own way.
MP Keith Vaz said: "I hope that Mr. Winsor will back up his statements in his report. The home affairs select committee will also ask Bob Jones, the police and crime commissioner for the West Midlands, about this matter when he gives evidence to us on Tuesday."

There is some loss of confidence in police procedures, following Hillsborough and other items in the news, and, Sharia Law system may be operating in a limited way in some places.

Debate about the role of the police is on the agenda, policing a more complicated and multi-cultural society is a challenge, the police are going to need better procedures and training, which looks a bit difficult with budget cuts.

Hinch wrote: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/anthony-grainger-shooting-greater-manchester-6690797  

A relative of Anthony Grainger is reported to have said, “The establishment are orchestrating delaying tactics so it will take even longer before the inquest is held and the truth comes out.”  

District Judge Riddle has sent the case to Southwark Crown Court for a preliminary hearing on February 20.       "The question of bail does not arise," he said.      Did anyone really think that it could !   

Hinch wrote:     Snappy eh?  

Ah, so, you think a trial will conclude this year then ?   

SNAPPY ?     Irony, it may be, takes over where rational inquiry breaks down ..

Rather more useful than the Greater Manchester Police, who had been called several times in the past about previous threats and attacks by a dangerously insane and violent maniac who lived next door, and done nothing useful, was Mr.Clive Marshall, a builder, who frightened the attacker off. Well done Mr. Marshall.

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85339/mark-pierson-detained-indefinitely-in-a-secure-hospital

By all reports
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/fracking-protester-82-shocked-core-6788246

The police are using bullying and shoving tactics against people protesting against fracking.
There are a lot of questions hanging over the police and the way they operate now, a lot of reasons, political and circumstantial why things are looking disconcertingly pear shaped in the way the police are organised, managed and trained.

Something of a rethink is needed. We see the police being polite and courteous while drunks spit on them, having grenades thrown at them, and generally putting up with too much. Then in different circumstances we see them pushing old ladies about, no, it's not right.

Such is the problem when 'people' take to the streets to protest for they invariably attract the 'loony left/anarchist/tree hugggers' whose sole purpose is not to assist the true purpose of the demo but to foment trouble against the 'State'. Asking ordinary police officers to differentiate amongst the mêlée is a ridiculous argument. My advice would be to stay away and direct ones energies towards a rational education of the 'facts - as known' (not assumed or perceived) and 'then' armed with logical and rational information take the matter to the courts. Jaw, jaw is always better than war,war and produces far better results for all concerned. Other than that of course - go and get your head kicked in and cost us all another pile of money. 

Policing demonstrations is just one of the various jobs the police have to do. It's wrong to assume all demonstrators are anti social enemies of the state. In the case of anti-fracking demonstrations, people are naturally worried about the drop in their house prices, which can wipe out a lifetimes worth of work, and about the potential damage to underlying land and geology. The law does not adequately protect people against all such threats. Demonstrations of such concerns and done within the law are a far cry from criminal riots.

There is rather more to the re-think that is needed about the role of the police today. Real problems are appearing as they are stretched to cover the various complexities of keeping the peace in crime and society as it has now developed.

The UK is a mix of extremely different situations, from island communities in the Hebrides to groups of international criminals in the cities, and everything in between. Is there one philosophy and method of policing that will fit them all?

One basic is that a policeman should be a dignified and trustworthy person whose first duty is to protect the ordinary person from harm. Duties such as shoving grannies about in defence of fracking operations is rather counter to that.

At my age I wouldn't go to a multitude of places, let alone a 'demo', as I no longer have the 'flight' capacity I once had.

If your daft enough to go on safari alone then don't be surprised if you get 'eaten'. Pick your fight, according to your material weaponry, or do the sensible thing and stay away. Silly woman. Or was she relying on that old adage her age and demeanor would protect her? Miscalculated that one didn't she.           As for 'police-forces' being dignified and trustworthy. Gawd luv a duck lady - which planet are you from?     

In the context of reform of policing methods, and other public services, the ideas of dignity, respect and trustworthiness are all worth a mention, before those words become obsolete.

Hinch wrote:  --- Anthony Grainger shot by police: Parents tell of terrible ordeal on the second anniversary of his death.  

Retired detective coins it in as a £400-a-day consultant

‘A retired senior detective has returned to Greater Manchester Police as a £400-a-day consultant just days after leaving the force.

Darren Shenton, 48, retired in December after 30 years in GMP, latterly the head of the force’s serious crime division, earning an estimated £90,000-a-year.

But by January 30 this year, the former chief superintendent had set up his own consultancy - and is director of Blackpool-based Shenton Consultancy Ltd.

Now he is back at GMP to work on its defence, as it prepares to fight a charge that it breached health and safety rules after an officer shot dead Anthony Grainger, 36.

Ref     http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/retired-greater-manchester-police-detective-6791021
 
Quote, A police source said: “Is it appropriate he is now brought in to defend the force when his old department was so closely involved ? ”