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Post  Atlas on Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:48 pm

The money might be better used on a programme of re-education in the mosques and re-educating the Imams that the law in this country states quite categorically that sex with children under 16 is a 'crime' and all incidents of such behaviour will carry a prison sentence and addition to the sex crime register and that such behaviours only put at risk the rest of the Muslim community from the hot-heads amongst the indigenous population. It's in their own interests to assimilate as the world moves towards a more populist nationalist condition. But what do I know. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:55 pm

Fast, decisive deportations would send the educational message you describe.

Of course, the safety and well being of the deportee has to be investigated, but quickly, not dragging on for years in an expensive legal quagmire that sends all the wrong signals.

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Post  Atlas on Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:08 pm

We can only deport the criminal - not his family. Depriving the family of one of its own is against one's human rights therefore if a family man deportation isn't on the cards - unless the family are prepared to waive their human rights - which of course the won't. Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:11 pm

Either deportation is a functioning part of the UK legal system, or isn't. We get the impression harmless people are deported, dangerous people are not. If the deportation system fails, undermining public safety and confidence, reform or replace it with something else, but what, longer prison sentences?

Doubtful whether longer sentences here for foreign nationals are more humane or useful than deportation to a safe country.

The point about education in mosques is relevant, but may be counter-productive, they are unlikely to accept outside opinion preached at them.

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Post  johnb on Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:35 pm

The "impression" and the actuality rarely match...
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Post  Atlas on Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:50 pm

Indeed -very much like perception and actuality. In fact a bit like 'life' really when you come to think of it.
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News and fake news, which is which?

Post  cyfrifia on Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:03 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/senior-judge-slams-lawyers-obstructing-rochdale-child-sex-grooming/

This sort of news report could be just making things up, trying, for some reason, to convince us that the deportation system is weak and being abused. To distinguish such impressions or realities from perceptions, we can only decide for ourselves.
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Post  Atlas on Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:46 pm

As regards the law it's all about 'money'. Has nothing to do with justice. None of them care the outcome only that the longer they 'play' the more the 'pay'. If the law isn't working - change it. Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:04 am

"made a mockery of our justice system.”
https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/108492/lawyers-representing-rochdale-grooming-gang-to-be-investigated

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Post  Atlas on Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:00 pm

The 'law' is always there to be mocked. As it is 'an ass' then it will be ridiculed. These people to which you allude are working within the law, otherwise they would be arrested and charge with an offence'. You may blame them for 'fat-catting' if you so wish but not for 'utilising' the law. Smile Is it right? Of course not. But then neither are a million other things. That's life.Razz Razz
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:21 pm

Taking the Mickey is all well and good, but, there is not an infinite supply of Mikey.

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Post  Atlas on Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:47 pm

Where governments and the 'law' are concerned the 'Mickey' is like the universe - endless. Legislation never keeps up with the 'needs' of the day as all governments act reactively. T'is as ever been so - - - -! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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