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Post  Hinch on Thu May 08, 2014 12:25 pm

So, our MP wants us to spend money on signage proclaiming us as being in Lancashire; a state of being that ceased 40 years ago this year.

No, I don't like the sound of Greater Manchester either but it is accurate in that that is where we are. Why does this town always prefer to look back? Could it be that the present is unappealing and the future positively scary?

Lets reclaim our heritage: workhouses, famine, rickets, child labour etc while we're about it. Get your grandad's cloth cap 'n clogs dusted off and wear 'em with pride!

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/86996/letter-from-parliament-simon-danczuk-mp

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Post  cyfrifia on Thu May 08, 2014 1:07 pm

Looks like this is about international trade, particularly with China. The Potteries and area around Birmingham are threatened with being called Greater Birmingham, as Chinese people have heard of Birmingham and will google it for business purposes.

Is this relevant for Rochdale, and if so, which is best for trade and economy, 'Rochdale Lancashire' or 'Rochdale Greater Manchester'? Somehow 'Rochdale Lancashire' sounds more convincing.

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Post  Hinch on Thu May 08, 2014 2:55 pm

But it isn't in Lancashire, that's the point.

"Come to Rochdale, the town that used to be in Lancashire but isn't any longer." It could catch on I suppose.

I doubt that the Chinese, or anyone else will be fooled. As long as you have the cash, they'll do business with you.

Anyway, I live in Lancashire and we don't want 'em d'you hear.

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Post  cyfrifia on Thu May 08, 2014 4:19 pm

Hinch wrote:But it isn't in Lancashire, that's the point.

That's a bit fussy, an exactly what it says on the tin approach. Some words just go together better, like 'Rochdale Lancashire'.

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Post  Hinch on Thu May 08, 2014 4:21 pm

I'm afraid I'm a bit of a Ronseal man Cyfrifia.
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri May 09, 2014 11:28 am

Hinch wrote:
Anyway, I live in Lancashire and we don't want 'em d'you hear.

Sounds clear enough, Lancashire is too posh for Rochdale now is it?

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Post  Hinch on Fri May 09, 2014 4:42 pm

The Ribble Valley bit definitely is.
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri May 09, 2014 6:26 pm

Yes, interesting how different rules apply in Ribble Valley, it's a different civilisation.

Quote: "Some applicants will not be eligible and may be excluded from joining the housing waiting list. These include: Certain categories of people from abroad due to their nationality, immigration status or intentions to live in this country."
https://www.ribblevalley.gov.uk/info/200291/housing/1453/find_a_home

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Post  Prudence Tempered on Fri May 09, 2014 6:40 pm

The actual truth is that Greater Manchester is the 'state of being' that no longer exists.

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Post  Manc on Fri May 09, 2014 7:41 pm

I was born in Manchester in the County of Lancashire, I'm a Lancastrian. The old borders are still there and some of the original signs too. There's a Lancashire sign going from Littleborough towards Todmorden on the right hand side of the canal.

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Post  Atlas on Sat May 10, 2014 12:29 am

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Post  cyfrifia on Sat May 10, 2014 9:25 am

Manc wrote:I was born in Manchester in the County of Lancashire, I'm a Lancastrian.

Same here. Maybe it's the same for a lot of people born and brought up in places where names and borders have been changed, the old names and places are still the real ones.

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Post  Hinch on Sat May 10, 2014 10:42 am

Manc wrote:I was born in Manchester in the County of Lancashire, I'm a Lancastrian. The old borders are still there and some of the original signs too. There's a Lancashire sign going from Littleborough towards Todmorden on the right hand side of the canal.

I always thought you were a Hobbit from the Shire Manc?
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat May 10, 2014 5:17 pm



Poster who admits illegal drug use now lost in fantasy hobbit world! (See 'Ganja to go' thread.)

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Post  Hinch on Sat May 10, 2014 6:07 pm




Very clever Cyfrifia. You have far too much time on your hands.

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Post  cyfrifia on Mon May 12, 2014 12:30 pm



Sometimes I do, there are only about five people find time to post on here, the rest of the population of Rochdale, Heywood, Castleton, Middleton, Littleborough or Whitworth etc must be far too busy. Have they gone to twitter?



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Post  Atlas on Wed May 14, 2014 1:03 am



Possibly. Perhaps the 'need' for instant replies has more attraction for them.

Myself - I prefer time to think and deceminate. Less possibility of doing something stupid and less possibility of giving away information which could harm me or the family.

I see no merit in 'drivel' for the sake of it.


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Post  Manc on Wed May 14, 2014 1:57 pm

More of 'The Little People' and maybe a touch of Hobbit in my genes Hinch. Very Happy 

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Post  Atlas on Sat May 24, 2014 1:05 am

Well that can't make any worse than a lot out there Manc. Wink Wink 
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Post  Atlas on Thu May 29, 2014 1:34 am

There's not much traffic here on Rochdale Talk. I suppose our hero Hinch, who is indisposed at the present time, helps enormously by posting threads of interest. For myself. Not being resident in the Dale it is difficult to help out - so to speak - as I don't get to know first hand what is occuring on a day to day basis. Maybe some of our friends are away at this present time and are also out of the loop. Anybody clue me in??? Wink 
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:22 pm

Cloth cap 'n clogs heritage? A heritage is supposed to be something that enriches life, makes it more pleasant and meaningful, gives a sense of place and purpouse. The heritage of Rochdale seems more like a backlog of problems really. Has anything come out of the 'I love Rochdale' positive thinking movement? Any clear idea of a positive future for Rochdale?

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Post  Chill37 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:04 am

cyfrifia wrote:Cloth cap 'n clogs heritage? A heritage is supposed to be something that enriches life, makes it more pleasant and meaningful, gives a sense of place and purpouse. The heritage of Rochdale seems more like a backlog of problems really. Has anything come out of the 'I love Rochdale' positive thinking movement? Any clear idea of a positive future for Rochdale?

Theres the I love Rochdale group over on FB which are organising a get togther.  Im off to it to get involved.  More over the same question could be asked of Rochdale Future page on FB. You would think by reading it nothing is wrong at al in Rochdale. Any views differing ., the people are drove out of Town.So the question begs what has come out of RF? Despite comments from a smal number saying that their site is fully represenative of Rochdale (1500 members...really!!!)

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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:59 pm

Understanding or predicting the behavior of groups of people is an unknown science. Local, or any other, politics can be a strange game, but maybe it's worth having a go if you know what you want to achieve.

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Post  Atlas on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:12 am





Closed groups have their own agenda and can never be recognised as 'representative' of anything but themselves. Certainly not as 'for a whole town' of over 100,000 residents. Only a free and OPEN agenda allows for such claims. I would never be attracted to any organisation that has 'closed' memberships
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Post  Chill37 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:21 am

Atlas wrote:Closed groups have their own agenda and can never be recognised as 'representative' of anything but themselves. Certainly not as 'for a whole town' of over 100,000 residents. Only a free and OPEN agenda allows for such claims. I would never be attracted to any organisation that has 'closed' memberships.  Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Question 


Spot on. But when you read such groups you think they are in power and in charge. Bit scary. Dictatorship springs to mind when you read the comments.

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