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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:18 pm

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/88511/simon-danczuk-mp-challenges-minister-over-gaza-conflict

Mr. Danczuk wants Israel to be called to account for what they are doing in Gaza. The news from there, and the situation generally just seems to get worse and worse.


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Post  Atlas on Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:09 am

A very tricky situation. History condemns a peaceful solution to the whole problem whether it be possession by conquest or possession by history. Its no good everyone asking me to be peaceful with my neighbour if he keeps on throwing rocks through my windows. My bulldozer doesn't differentiate when I take it through his garden sheds in response.

United we stand - divided we fall. Palestinians have a lesson to learn if they are ever to get a settlement. Israel 'knows' what happens when they 'fragment' and will never let it happen again.

He who forgets his history is condemned to make the same mistakes - Over and Over again.
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:35 pm

The Palestinians have already learned many hard lessons about the character of their neighbour, Israel. This conflict did start many years ago with throwing of stones, if the government of Israel had acted more carefully, wisely and legally over the years, it might not have escalated to this tragic scene of butchery in what is effectively a prison camp by the sea, Gaza.

The situation throughout the middle east and beyond is now horrendous and volatile. If anyone can explain the rights and wrongs, I expect there is someone else equally credible who will explain it differently.

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Post  Atlas on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:07 am

It was wrong of the British, who had the Palestinian Mandate, to expect an influx of thousands of immigrants to be able to settle on land that the Palestinians considered to be theirs. The 'European 'Exodus' was seen, by the West, as a natural reaction by European Jews who had been decimated by the Nazi regime of Germany and as such was barely controlled in a judicious manner. (It would have meant more bloodshed than was acceptable after the end of the war). The Balfour Agreement was a farce. A 'Way Out' for the hard pressed post war government. Once entrenched the Jews (Israelis) went on to take, by force of arms - albeit not their choosing, land that they required to live upon. And that is where the troubles really began. Land taken by conquest is rarely quiet for long. The rest is history.
Rights? Wrongs? It's all wrong. War never solves anything. Only the intelligence to know that to live together one has to make allowances and sacrifices and forgiveness. But that's asking a very great deal.
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:34 am

Neither side are 'in the right', and ordinary people including children are trapped in a mincemeat machine between the two, simply because of where they live.

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Post  Atlas on Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:57 pm

Indeed that's true. For the Palestinians to have any future they must eventually remove the men of violence from their midsts and like the Irish Question go to politics and reconciliation for in truth that will be their only salvation in the short term. If they choose the long term I fear they will have another hundred years to wait - if not longer - with thousands and thousands of more deaths to add to the lists. Sad I know. But nevertheless true. Crying or Very sad 
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:52 pm

Simon Danczuk deals with matters closer to home in his recent letter,

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/92363/letter-from-parliament-simon-danczuk-mp

He describes a situation where central government holds Rochdale in contempt, treats the town as a punchbag, hits Rochdale brutally with disproportionate budget cuts, sends a disproportionate number of asylum seekers here, putting further strain on already overstretched services and on community relations. etc.

He says he could go on, on similar theme, but prefers to emphasise the town fighting back.

A grim description, Simon has a reputation for getting to the truth of the matter, what direction for Rochdale? Struggle on as is, or, look for big changes?

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Post  Atlas on Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:20 pm

Will it not come under this new 'mayoral' initiative for more regional government for the Manchester area? And if so should not the emphasis on its future lies more directly there???
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Post  Atlas on Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:51 am

At least the man keeps Rochdale alive by speaking out in the Commons and elsewhere. I just hope that unlike the last MP who had a habit of doing the same this one hasn't got a pile of 's***' in his closet. Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:42 pm

Simon is working on cultural exchange, he has invited a visitor from the city-state of London, which is situated in the far south of the British Isles, to visit the north of England.

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/93116/editor-of-the-sun-visits-rochdale

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Post  Atlas on Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:09 am

No bad thing. The power of the press is paramount to all endeavors and can either make them or break them.
I'm no lover of the Sun newspaper or any of them for that matter and do not subscribe. I would however fight alongside them for the right to free-speech and publication of the same. Let's see how it pans out. Surprised Smile
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:07 am

Yes, a good thing, communication.

Freedom of the press is essential, more in question is quality of the press, could usefully be a bit more investigative and factual.

The London connection is changing quickly as London changes. Always was a place to itself, now more like a country to itself, or perhaps more accurately, an independent city-state.

The relation between London and the rest of the UK used to be 'provincial', perhaps now becoming more 'colonial'. Certainly it's a very different culture and outlook.

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Post  Atlas on Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:52 am

It always was. We used to say that the North made the money and London spent it - but not on us.
I think you will find that the same goes for the residents of all the other outlying areas regardless of where they are. We say the same regarding Cardiff. The same is no doubt said of Edinburgh and Belfast.
There has however been a sea-change over the past couple of decades. London now produces a much larger slice of the tax revenues than at any other time in our history - so perhaps they now feel they have a right to a 'larger' share than anyone else?
The only answer (without bloodshed) is of course to devolve power outwards towards and within the outlying localities themselves. This is being done if one takes the Scottish and the Welsh Parliaments and the Northern Ireland Executive into consideration and the moves towards larger integrated councils and the old Mayor jobbie.

Less government from the centre. More local control of the shared revenue. A review of the Barnett formula which by this time is out-dated and start to make the 'people' themselves responsible for their actions again.
It is not always 'the governments' fault or the 'councils' fault or the clowns at the 'social'. There has been far too much of that in the past. It's easy to blame somebody else.
They wouldn't have that 'fall-back' position if the 'controls' were in their own hands.

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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:15 am

In his latest letter,

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/93934/letter-from-parliament-simon-danczuk-mp

Simon Danczuk, with an eye on the past, says he is

"a firm believer that we need to re-establish Rochdale as a proud Pennine market town"

This may be a popular sentiment, but is it barking up the wrong tree?

"Proud" is a dubious concept for Rochdale, it seems to be more an iffy sort of place with problematic woodwork. "Pennine" also a bit off the mark, it's more a town of the Lancashire flatlands, other towns are much more 'Pennine'. A "market town", is rather an over-used catch-phrase, but yes, everyone needs to make a living somehow, and if selling socks and mobile phone accessories helps people scrape by, that's ok.

The actual future looks a lot more complicated and volatile. Is attempting to re-establish Rochdale as what it has tried to be in the past a convincing vision for the future?

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Post  johnb on Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:38 pm

No, Pennine town is fair. On all but the approach from Manchester/Middleton, one crosses high hills and decends into the town. I live five minutes walk from the town centre, 20 minutes walk from the high moors, okay, it is not Todmorden or Hebden Bridge, but it is no less a Pennine town for that.
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:23 am

OK so Rochdale is a 'Pennine' town, although the past culture was part of the cotton mill flat-lands of old Lancashire.

Does Rochdale want to define it's future as a 'Pennine market town'? Its more of a sprawling ex industrial area than 'Last of the summer wine'.

A pennine market town would need to draw in people from surrounding hills, things don't really work so much that way these days. The Pennine market town definition seems something of an attempt to escape into a vaguely fictional realm.

It is difficult to imagine any meaningful and sustainable future for Rochdale, but, somebody needs to work something out.

Mr.Danczuk has been busy sorting out the past and the well known 'social' problems of Rochdale, perhaps someone else can develop ideas or a direction for the future?

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Post  Atlas on Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:25 pm

I don't think one could get away from the description of a 'Pennine Town', after all that is exactly what it is. Nor, from a tourism point of view' should you. It pushes the right buttons for that sector for those of a nostalgic bent.
However, you are right to say that such will not boost substantially the economic progress of the town to a degree as the difference would make everyone prosperous. It will require something completely different to do that.
Technology could be an answer as it requires little that is not already available in the town.
I'm not talking I.T. as in computers or the like but there is a world out there that is going to require almost everything else for a future world population to survive and sustain itself.
You have on the doorstep some of the finest universities in the world. Efforts to link through and resource with these are your best bet. The rest should be fundamental.

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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:40 pm

Technology of one kind or another is the basis of getting things done. We can't expect politicians to know much about anything apart from politics, it's a business to itself.

A long time back, industrialists would negotiate with politicians and landowners to set up industrial processes, but things don't work quite that way now.

Things seem to happen or not happen according to rather different circumstances these days, intangibles such as confidence, image, media hype, and macro economics are more at play.

Still, some sort of industrial or technological base seems worth developing, and the knowhow to go with it. Who will sort that out though, while politicians tinker with pennine market town initiatives, and similar inconsequential projects.

Bearing in mind the drone landing on the White House lawn, it probably won't be too long before there are similar problems here, Rochdale could get ahead of the game by developing 'killer drones', to 'kill' unauthorised drones. That sort of mixed technology and expertise would adapt to the future quite well.

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Post  Atlas on Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:37 pm

I like your idea of drone killing drones. You should contact the Rochdale Business Forum with your idea immediately before them Chinese get wind of it.

As for 'who' will promote such ideas for Rochdale I can only direct you to the Colleges who should by this time have direct connections with the Uni's. It is always a team effort these days. Gone are the day of the single entrepreneur with a rich bottomless purse daddy. Branson was probably the last of those Mohicans.
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:57 pm

Of course everyone, almost, likes the idea of 'killer' drones. What could be more fun than playing with radio controlled battle drones? It might even divert peoples attention from killing each other, if they are busy fighting wars in the skies with radio controlled drones.

Rochdale could look to the future, an existing battle drone manufacture with skilled resource could soon be in demand, colleges of technology etcetera should be keeping an eye on this forum for ideas. Such technology and skills could rapidly be adapted to other hybrid electro-mechanical-software combinations that will emerge.

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Post  Atlas on Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:52 pm

All it takes are people prepared to put themselves out. It's easy to do nothing. There is absolutely no excuse for the young to sit on their hands lamenting their lot. If you want a better life - fight for one. We had to. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Mad Shocked Smile Smile Smile
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:57 pm

"The BBC has bought the rights"

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/in-your-area/bbc-win-rights-drama-sex-8816395

Media and politics, a bit of a mixture, still it will put Rochdale back in the limelight when it's on telly.

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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:11 am

Islamic State supporters are "Not welcome in Rochdale", declares Simon Danczuk.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029141/Don-t-bother-coming-home-not-welcome-Rochdale-MP-Simon-Danczuk-tells-family-caught-trying-join-ISIS.html

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Post  Atlas on Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:49 pm

Given the ages of the main participants from this family I would concur with your MP's sentiments. These are not gullible adolescents. Coming back to Rochdale would make them targets for our own brand of nutters. The cost to protect them or the ensuing costs for the trouble it will cause is sufficient within itself to have them settle somewhere else in the UK and be monitored in their new homes from now on. I wouldn't spend money on their protection after ensuring they were re-located elsewhere and on having advised them to expunge their previous lives in Lancashire. They must take their chances - having made the original choices they did.
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:47 pm

You could look at it the other way round, and consider that the general population need protecting from Islamic State supporters.

Anyway, it's good Simon Danczuk M.P. has declared that I.S. supporters are not welcome in Rochdale, but, it is their hometown, so, not everyone might agree?

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