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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:00 pm

Not everyone is pleased with the system of fire and finance you describe.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/bootle-residents-vent-fury-after-12739619


People are furious about so many recycling fires, the toxic smoke, and say they have been started deliberately. Enough is enough, it has to stop.

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Post  Atlas on Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:31 pm

Where there is a scheme there is always a schemer -. Technology is as ever a double edged sword. What the people want and what they actually get are always two different things. Let's be logical -. Recycling collections are all well and good providing you have in place adequate facilities to deal with it upon collection. Most places haven't. We send almost half our 'collections' abroad to other countries for 'sorting'. Therefore - ways and means have to be found to deal with the residues. Some operators are just that 'operators' and have their own methods of dealing with the problem and at the same time making it 'pay'. Accidental burnings is just one method whereby everyone (with the exclusion of the local people and the planet) gets what they want. Society is going through what I would call 'a phase' in that the transition towards a modern technological revolution has its hiccups, waste being one of them. Plastics will eventually become a pariah as biodegradable s take over and packaging will be reduced to keep prices down and reduce waste. Even methods of 'destruction' will change in order that the individual household can 'remove' any offending left-overs. It's called 'progress'. The only snag - we shall all have to be patient and await its arrival.Very Happy Very Happy
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:12 pm

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/recycling-plan-fires-boss-jailed-12829018

Judge Stuart Driver QC said Kilroe’s offending was "deliberate and for financial gain."

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Post  Atlas on Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:23 pm

'Doh'! Surely not! Who would have thought! And he's not on his own. Evil or Very Mad
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:10 pm

http://www.manchesterfire.gov.uk/updates/incidents/recycling-plant-fire-rochdale/
Rochdale recycling fire.

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Post  Atlas on Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:08 pm

They should be prosecuted for bad storage arrangements unless the fire was arson. In which case the first place to look is at home. The Fire Dept people know the score. Time someone blew the whistle and got things done properly.
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Nothing can be done.

Post  cyfrifia on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:19 pm

Plumes and clouds of toxic black smoke of burning plastic, oil, chemical, industrial and electronic waste of all kinds are an everday part of the British landscape. It's been that way for many years, and increasingly so, a result of how our business, financial, legal, political, economic and regulatory systems are structured and work together. The public accept it, same as heavy traffic and associated fumes, as part of economic activity.

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Post  Atlas on Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:44 pm

Laws, regulation and policing that are fit for purpose. Where there's a will -. But there's not the money and nobody works for nothing. Sad world - but that's the reality. Sad Surprised Surprised Surprised Surprised
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:01 am

A "huge" pile of 'waste' burning.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/firefighters-still-battling-huge-blaze-13408398

+500 tonnes of plastic burning, and 50 firefighters
http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/500-tonnes-plastic-caught-fire-212821

+30 tonnes of recyling 'waste' burning
http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/dramatic-pic-30-tonnes-of-recycling-waste-goes-up-in-flames-near-chesterfield-1-8655188

It all adds up, but, what does it add up to?

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Post  Atlas on Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:00 pm

A industry that only works on 'profits'. This country hasn't the re-cycling facilities for all its collections and consequently becomes, as we used to say, ithered with the bloody stuff. Accidental fires reduce the over capacity to manageable proportions - until the next time. It's not rocket science. So the answer is - - more recycling depots etc -. NO. The answer is - less unnecessary packaging, less plastic production (only biodegradable allowed), a return to glass containers which are useful to recycle and carry the 'old' deposit' system to ensure 90% returns. Better white goods recycling - and - new incinerators that pour out less carbon etc etc. But of course you cannot stop 'progress' regardless of the harm it often does. New ways will have to found to ensure new products are manageable for the future.Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:09 pm

Have the plastic panels removed from tower blocks been sent to burn at the plastics recycling dump?

There does seem a growing awareness plastic packaging, bags, bottles and so on is destroying the enviironment. Someone has calculated that at this rate, there will be more plastic than fish in the oceans in a few years time.

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Post  Atlas on Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:59 pm

One would hope not. There is a grand misconception regarding these panels. Used alone, as in without other materials and expansion/ventilation gaps, these panels are relatively safe and burn very slowly if ignited. Used on less than four storey buildings and as described above they are relatively safe and useful. They are (or were) of American manufacture and the regulations regarding them, in America, forbid their use over 90ft and were never designed to have backing materials included in the construction. For whatever reason these 'recommendations' have been ignored over here and the result has been a less than responsible attitude to their distribution and usage. I have no doubt that the inquiry into Grenfell will expose these incomprehensible decisions and some body somewhere is going to have a very hard time wriggling out from beneath the 'fall-out'.

As usual the 'plastic' age coupled with the fossil fuel age ultimately produces those unforeseen irritants as man and his progressive rape of the planet progresses. Ocean cleansing, of the removable detritus, will proceed as the century moves on and the oceans will ultimately die from acid accumulations regardless of what man tries to do to manually cleans the contents. That is unless man's ingenuity can quickly produce an effective method of carbon-capture and storage and all nations initiate a comprehensive programme sometime in the next 10 -20 years. This will slow down the global warming to acceptable levels (i.e. liveable) and allow time then to move to less harmful methods of production and commerce. But I'm not holding my breath. And fortunately - it won't be 'my' problem.Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Wink Wink
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