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Post  Atlas on Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:10 pm

Drake Street. One assumes people are talking about the bottom end from Wet Rake to the centre?
The trouble has been differing styles of frontages over the years as each generation tries to keep abreast of the 'acceptable' 'attraction' resulting in a hotch-potch of decaying façades. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:16 pm

The names of old streets and areas of Greater Manchester tell a story of 'heritage'? Anyway, of stuff that happened.
http://www.manchestersfinest.com/manchester/exploring-the-historic-street-names-of-manchester/
Perhaps some of the more boring and meaningless street names could be updated to reflect the life of the city today. Robbery Road and Stabbing Street could fit in somewhere appropriate.

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Post  Atlas on Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:40 pm

All the existing streets of Rochdale already each have a story within their names. Some more interesting than others. One of the most interesting being Paker Street - awash with history steeped in crime and nostalgic memories. Street naming is one way of preserving those 'events' in the greying mists of time. Sadly also there are quite a number that have been destroyed which does nothing for the town's history and which without people like me and others (e.g. Touchstones) would disappear forever. Sad but part of life as we know it lass. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:41 pm

That would be Packer Street ? Is the name to do with packhorses?

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Post  Atlas on Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Yes. Originally the drover trails led into the town square and terminated at Packer Meadows which at the beginning of the 16th century stood approximately where the Packer Spout gardens are now situated. Packer Spout was originally a natural spring and 'well' for watering the beasts therein assembled. Packer Street grew in time as a stone cobbled thoroughfare leading from the meadows to the river, which at that time was open throughout its meanderings, for the citizens of low and high repute to imbibe refreshments and multifarious other delights then available to the traveller or local homesteader. Amongst many other things. Most famous and longest lasting building is the Flying Horse which originally stood facing other buildings which in turn were demolished leaving the pub facing the new town hall square and buildings. Flying Horse was rebuilt after a fire in around 1760's and again 1850's. So much history - so little interest - so bloody sad.Wink Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:09 am

There is probably a fair bit of basic information about Rochdale history available here and there. Collecting it together in a way that brings it to life is another matter. A project making audio recordings of eldery people talking about the old days could theoretically be useful. Such projects have been run as 'job schemes' and fairly useless. Doing something like that properly would require someone who already knows something of the history and has the interest, and combination of technical, social, and administrative competence needed. Perhaps something like that exists via 'Touchstones' or similar?

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Post  Atlas on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:33 pm

I believe, although I don't know for sure, that 'Touchstones has all there is available by this time regarding Rochdale Past. Whether or not they have a small concise video/dvd of the salient historical points for sale or on a constant information viewing I don't know. Tourism dictates that such a 'keepsake' be available for purchase by visitors or that the 'operators' of Rochdale Today trips around the town include such a video during the 'tour'. I sometimes just expect those sorts of things to be available these days wherever tourism is considered beneficial. Rochdale has a tourism office (or had) and a tourism officer and there are numerous residents of the town who specialise in the town's history to enable all the above to be available - not to mention informing the residents themselves of where they come from and what they come from. Insufficient vision has resulted in Rochdale becoming a non-entity amongst the Northern towns so if none of the above are available I wouldn't in the least be surprised. Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:29 pm

There is too much history for anyone to cope with, and they keep making more. The old industrial towns of the northwest, Rochdale etc each have an individual, deep and complicated history. (Except for Burnley) The only way to keep any track on that is if each town or area takes responsibility for it's own permanent central information collection. Boundary changes have left records and documentatiion in the charge of authorities with absolutely no interest in them. Administrations destroy information after a set number of years, As people die, local knowlege is quickly, completely lost, wiped off the face of the earth leaving not a trace, only people that live or lived there may possibly give a monkeys about that sort of real history, people and places.

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Post  Atlas on Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:41 pm

There are about 20 or more Rochdale sites on Facebook. Quite a number specialise in historical facts and figures and include heaps and heaps of old photographs and written snippets. The Internet is also a mine of information for the same purpose and almost everything worth knowing can be found therein. I don't worry that the 'history' will be lost. My concern would lie in the wealth and worth of the town itself self-promoting itself to the benefit of everything. The mere fact we, as a race, are going to hell in a hand basket, shouldn't detract from having a 'ball' in the meantime. History provides entertainment in many forms and it would be a shame not to profit from its usage. Wink Wink Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:36 am

Rochdale seems to do quite well for knowing it's own history then. Some other towns of the industrial north-west don't, perhaps because they are smaller. Facts of local histories can be fairly well recorded, but the thoughts and concerns of thei inhabitants are more fugitive; and once lost to memory, lost forever.
study People and places of years ago, real dependable and solid then. So quickly lost in the grinding wheels of time.

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Post  Atlas on Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:57 pm

Tourism and Britain and its major problem - - - the bloody weather. Of course the further North one goes and the worse the potential for good weather. Rochdale isn't ideally situated. Ergo - - . One has to be a visionary, not to mention quite mad. Rochdale's best source for tourism is it's history. Bus tours are one thing. Keeping the visitor happy - quite another.

It's a very large subject and not one we could discuss at any great length here. What it isn't is a subject that can be toyed with or done with scarce resource. Does Rochdale have the wherewithal or even the inclination. I doubt both given the lack of good leadership that has been present in the town for the last two decades or more. The result of which is that the town doesn't make the best of a very rich resource and consequently the history will inevitably go the way of other Northern towns. Sad. But a fact. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:55 pm

Difficult to imagine tourists walking around todays' Rochdale to see places with 'interesting' histories. Their main impressions would most likely be of present day circumstances. Tourism and history don't always connect up very well.

Tourism for income is a 'hot spot' business, even when tourists arrive en masse, there has to be a set-up to extract cash from them.

The best strategy for tourist income in Rochdale might be, attract them with free gifts worth a tenner or so, wrapped in too many layers of difficult and 'flyaway' packaging for them to cope with, then fine them £150 for dropping litter.
https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/113530/litter-fines-to-rise-to-150

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Post  Atlas on Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:39 pm

Right - well here goes. Germany is the cleanest country for littering in the world. Why? Because it is a criminal offence to litter. How does one overcome the itinerant litter-bug when almost everyone has the propensity to discard unwanted objects at a whim if they can? By fining the land owner/resident not the litterer. Howls of unfair and injustice erupt from all directions! But it works -.
According to my information each and every householder (rented or owned) is responsible for removing and recycling any deleterious materials within their curtilage and including to a halfway point to the centre of any pathways and roads adjoining the properties. In other words - all around their house and holdings. Fines for non-compliance are added to the council tax (or the German equivalence) and must be paid within the statutory periods. I believe that this is a very old law dating back to the Weimar republic and has never been changed to date. Fly-tipping is extremely rare as the need to keep things free from litter is almost a tradition and ingrained.

Can you see that happening here - Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz
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