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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:22 pm

You are a valued customer, and what do we value about you? Your personal information.

http://www.hhgproject.org/media/Share_and_Enjoy.mp3

Technology, with it's apps, termsandconditions and 'tinternet of things is becoming more and more ravenous for ever more detailed information about you. Nice isn't it. A database nowhere near you wants to know when your blood pressure rises, what's in your fridge and how many steps you took today.

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Post  Atlas on Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:51 pm

Information is power. So what's new? The battle is far easier to win with better intelligence than your enemy on your enemies predilections and predictable intentions. 1984 peacefully. Wink Wink Wink

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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:17 pm

What's new? The technology and 'apps' that make information gathering much more efficient, detailed, intrusive and saleable.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/13/smart-dildo-was-spying-on-my-vagina-woman-claims-6126467/

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Post  Atlas on Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:26 pm

Don't buy it. Then they won't know will they. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:16 pm

Excellent idea, if everyone lived in the woods and whittled wooden spoons, life would be much simpler.

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Post  Atlas on Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:41 pm

You don't have to join in with everything. I suppose you have a mobile phone? Pointless you bothering about all the rest then isn't it?

It's the age of technology and information highway. If you've nothing to hide why would you worry. There are methods available to you to thwart the main-chancer and snoopers. Or at least make their efforts almost futile. It's up to you.

If you own a computer and use it then you are saying to the world - Hello. I'm here. This is what I am and do and I don't mind you knowing.

To opt -out altogether is nigh impossible as your government won't play ball - but it has been done.Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Mad Mad Shocked Shocked Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Smile Smile Sad Sad Sad Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:50 am

All this internet based technology gets more complicated all the time, and has changed the way the world works.

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Post  Atlas on Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:01 pm

Once the world went global and were willing to give away their privacy in order to learn everyone else's change on a massive scale was inevitable. We are a curious species. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:38 pm

People who design things, machines, gadgets, systems etc, like tumble dryers that set on fire, should have the design registered to their name and responsibility, and be forced by international treaty to have those particular gadgets installed in their homes and lives  and to use them. Any adaptations they might want to make, have to be registered on the International Register of Iffy Gadgets.

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Post  Atlas on Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:36 pm

Individual responsibility is a rare commodity in this day and age. Lawyers prefer to sue corporations as the remunerations are so much greater - if they win. Corporate manslaughter convictions are difficult to obtain but worth oodles through the compensation gleaned. Man isn't infallible and some way-leave must be granted to accommodate our inadequacies. Ingenious schemes seem to be the norm these days and of course highly profitable whilst they remain undiscovered. VW and Banking come immediately to mind. Of course sometimes things go wrong that could not have been foreseen and this is forgiveable if the company/people come clean immediately. However rarely is the case as the profits and consequently share values are the first concern. More insistence on criminalising the culprits should be made here if only to dissuade others. But when you have politicians, lawyers, bankers, priests and the 'great and the good' all at it then you have the makings of a totally corrupt society purely on the basis that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - simple when you think about it.Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post  cyfrifia on Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:48 pm

Systems within many organisations have been developed specifically to enable evasion of individual responsibility. Communal or corporate responsibility means nobody can be held responsible, so, nobody is.

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Post  Atlas on Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:23 pm

Yes and purely derived from the ludicrous compensation culture that ingresses Europe from our American cousins throughout the latter half of the 20 century. When PC and ludicrous human rights pervade throughout society the culture of infantile perusal of spurious 'claims' dilutes the ability of the courts, through 'case jamming' to concentrate on that which has the most importance - that of pursuing the 'real' criminals in their shady endeavours to 'cream' society at will. Lethargic governance and corruption amongst the better placed inevitably leads to a 'dumbing down' across the whole spectrum whereby the 'common' man sees himself as a victim and consequently gainsays the same attitudes to 'what is fair'. Not rocket science - just to be human -.Cool Cool Cool

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Post  cyfrifia on Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:05 am

There is a general discontent with the way things are, but with the dumbing down you mention, general disinterest and short attention span of our culture, do many people notice or think through these sort of long term changes to the way things are?

Probably not. With many things that matter, like the child abuse enquiry, dropping to bits because no-one will take responsibilty for sorting it out, people have got used to large scale dysfunctional incompetence, and just think that's the way it is, hey-ho.

Perhaps there will be a change of mood when the brexit malarkey hits home? We do seem to be moving into a more practical era, like with these new fivers made from recycled plastic bags.

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Post  Atlas on Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:18 pm

The Brexit malarkey, as you call it, was as a result of the above discussion. 60% of the people have been left behind in this race to the bottom. The result being 40% have done well from the EU and its offshoots pushing the rest even further down the ladder than would have been the case had we continued in the 1970's with our own progress. The chickens have come home to roost. It matters little to the 60% whether the results of the referendum produce a better or worse outcome as they have little more to lose whereas the top 40% have much more. Rolling Eyes
Whatever form of governments we have from now on will not survive without changes to the distribution of wealth across the whole spectrum. How that is obtained is of course the problem. Change with today's economics and markets must be slow and purposeful in order to keep a balance throughout the process. To do otherwise could cost greatly in both terms of social order and well-being. Many of us, who are borderline, have seen these problems growing over the past 30 years and are not surprised by these outcomes. Just a great shame we haven't the intelligence at the top who , with the greatest of respect, should have seen them also. It's very sad that we haven't been able to produce good governance within our own country. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Rolling Eyes

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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:31 am

Brexit may be a 'malarkey', as you quote, at the moment, but has yet to take hold. When it does, if people start to feel confident the cumbersome shackles of the E.U. really have been removed, there might be a change of mood and direction.

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Post  johnb on Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:33 pm

cyfrifia wrote:Brexit may be a 'malarkey', as you quote, at the moment, but has yet to take hold. When it does, if people start to feel confident the cumbersome shackles of the E.U. really have been removed, there might be a change of mood and direction.

All this depends on whether or not you see the reasonable checks and balances imposed by the EU as 'cumbersome shackles'.

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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:44 pm

Whether you see the laws, regulations, conditions and authority of the E.U. as cumbersome shackles or reasonable checks and balances, the effect of distancing the population from being able to have any effect on anything is the same.

The more direct the link between cause and effect; between speech or action and what happens, the more likely people are to develop responsibility.

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Post  johnb on Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:33 pm

The population has never been able to have much effect on anything - must being completely disenfranchised until the middle of the 19th century, and then left in a place where representation had no real effect.

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Post  Atlas on Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:39 pm

The rise of socialism in the 20th century had very far reaching effects from what had been a cosy self-serving elite of the previous 2 centuries and following the world wars, understandably, produced vast strides towards a better representation than previously. Do the 'people' have true representation? No. I would suggest that without PR we can't get anywhere near. The referendum was the nearest one might get to proper democracy/representation but as in all things it has a massive draw-back, true wholesale democracy being unworkable. However - we have the nearest best thing, an elected elite to whom we give power to act on our behalf. The Brexit vote shows that only through such procedures can the people have any real effect - rightly or wrongly. Perhaps as well referenda doesn't come along very often. As another of your points - one can have far too much law and regulation. It's knowing where to draw the line. I'm afraid man, especially politicians, are very poor when it comes to common-sense - ergo - the proposed Super State - especially at a time in the world's history when the world's populations are seeking more localised autonomies, super states having failed them miserably over the previous generations. Rolling Eyes

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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:29 pm

Is there more chance of the population ever being able to impress their ideas on the 'decision makers' in an independent nation, or in the E.U.?

Europe has it's problems. Are we better placed to be insulated from that to an extent, or to share and enjoy those problems?

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Post  Atlas on Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:37 pm

In as far as it is possible to 'change' those 'elites' should they not aspire to the majorities wishes having them close to home is far easier than far from home and unelected in the first place. How do you change that which is unchangeable? How many masters do you want? A European Parliament plus a home Parliament plus (in the case of Wales) a regional Parliament = literally 'thousands'. Three Parliaments dictating laws and regulations to a population of less than 3 million? Thus you have the ridiculous situation of 'too much' governing 'too little'. Need I go on?

Everything has a balance - nature provides for exactly that. Man, with his arrogance, always likes to prove differently. As I said previously the world, since the Great Wars, has aspired to small is beautiful not Big is better. Surprisingly there is actually less security these days from banding too many too close together, especially if they come from widely diverse backgrounds. What has been happening in Europe in the 20th century is not for the world in the 21st century - therein lay the mistake of the post-war politicians - not recognising that times change and we, the people, must change with it - if we, the people, are to survive.Idea Idea Idea Idea

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Post  johnb on Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:31 pm

What this means is it is easier for the interested parties to con and deceive a small, local electorate than a large, distributed one.

witness all the lies about asset release etc from the Brexiteers, how Europe would not penalize our manufactured products, how there would be no effect on the currency, or costs, or inflation - all so much hot air.

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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:58 pm

Gullibility is the name of that game. The underlying question there, are smaller groups of people more gullible than larger ones?

The Brexit campaign demonstrated how little reliable statistical information is available to the public. People wanted facts, and were eventually given guesses, estimates, and fabrications. Either government organisations don't know basic facts, or, keep them to themselves.

Regardless of size, that's what makes a gullible and manipulable population - Lack of reliable information.

How much difference did campaigns for and against make, to the actual vote?  Suspect

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Post  Atlas on Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:39 pm

You were old enough johnb not to listen to any of it. The great shame is that you cannot put old heads on young shoulders. If you believed at all in any of the claims made for the referendum from either side then you were misdirected and how you could vote either way on that information is beyond belief. I do however take issue with you as that being the main cause of the Brexit vote to leave. I would bet that for most it came down to a satisfaction of life experience over the last 40 years and just how and where the individual fitted in amongst it. 50% of those voters thought the EU hadn't worked for them whilst 50% thought it had or would. Well we've tried 40 years of it - now we should try 40 years without it and see what those results bring. And if your argument is why take the risk it means you are afraid of change which also means you haven't the courage you had 40 years ago - which is a shame. However -I suggest otherwise. Look around you will find it and you will also find that you never lost it in the first place. Wink

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Post  johnb on Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:29 pm

We had lots of experience of not having the EU prior to joining - 2 World Wars, threatened nuclear Armageddon, the joy of the crowned heads of Europe squabbling like a pack of dogs over a juicy bone...

Oh yes, the schoolroom of history gives plenty of reasons why there should be an EU if only people re-enter it.

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