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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:40 pm

"Ministers acknowledged that parts of the reviews published by Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration David Bolt made for "difficult reading"."

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/politics/56-000-foreign-nationals-disappear-off-home-office-radar-1-8837897

The upshot seems to be about 56 thousand illegal immigrant absconders or whatever have 'dissapeared'. That's a medium-sized towns' worth of people. Does that mean we need to build another medium-sized town for them?

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Post  Atlas on Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:09 pm

No. But it does mean we haven't any proper controls over our coasts and borders, probably due to insufficient attention to funding and employment. These are small figures taken against the influx still being allowed into Europe (and hence towards us) by the EU - now some one and half million - but probably 2 million. My argument isn't the people but this country's inability to organise properly the integration of the children to enable a calmer more pliable society in the end result or to allow proper sanctions against bad behaviour throughout that process.Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:32 pm

Inability to organise anything properly does seem to be a re-occuring theme. The only people that seem to be clued up, realistic and competent are the tax avoidance advisors.

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Post  Atlas on Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:10 pm

Where there are tax schemes there are tax schemers. Money keeps the immigrants arriving. Money keeps the tax evaders and avoiders in business. It's all about 'money'. Evil or Very Mad
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:14 am

The underlying money motive of things does seem to be more apparent to more people recently.

Re 'difficult reading', UK systems, culture and infrastucture, are not up to coping with increasing population without corresponding and difficut decline in standard of life for the mass of people. If they were, there wouldn't be a problem. It's all very well being optimistic, but a 'reality check' seems to be on the agenda.

Is 'brexit' really a good idea at the moment ? Where is near future going to be most problematic, here or in Europe? Confidence is not brilliant, a brexit delay may soon be the discussion in the news.
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Post  Atlas on Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:39 pm

That depends upon your motive for voting to 'Leave' or 'Remain' - it's subjective.

Are you happy at being socially engineered? Do you want to be all 'screwed' together? Or -.

Would you be happier in your own mind accepting that nations should keep to their own cultures and traditions and be 'ruled' from within by their own people?

Or -. Is money and the desire for it most uppermost on your mind regardless of what it costs you personally?

As I said - It's subjective.

I don't trust people. I trust even less people from other cultures and traditions. And I don't trust even more so having them make my laws and social requirements.

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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:21 am

It does seem something of a lucky dip. Shocked

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Post  Atlas on Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:47 pm

The 'dip' being 'democracy'. It depends upon your view of what 'democracy' really means.

I don't mind working for the good of all - providing the 'all' is a manageable amount. The good of 'all' the world is quite beyond my capabilities and quite beyond any one nations.

The good of all will come from 'without' not from 'within by design'. It will be man's doing but not consciously. Need will be the instrument. Self protection the engine. It could come quite soon (by that I mean inside one millennia) or somewhat later. But it will come. Or - man will cease to exist.Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:29 am

The 'dip' being unpredictability. The nearer we get to brexit the more unpredictable it looks.

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Post  Atlas on Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:39 pm

Absolutely not. Smoke and mirrors by the great and the good or should that be the liars and the greedy? Business will always find its way. Trade is essential for everyone's survival and regardless of obstacles that may be dropped by politicians the real pathways will be found and accomplished by the 'need' to do business which is also the 'need' for survival and if the politicians won't move aside they will be swept aside by the tide of commerce that dictates everyone's economy. T'is all bull shit, fear-mongering and chaos prompting by 'wanabee's' trying to make a name for themselves. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:34 pm

With unresolved problems of many years (overpopulation, housing crisis, NHS, care of the elderly, etc) becoming ever more unmanageable, Brexit may be for the best in the long run, probably would have been better timed some years ago, but I'm apprehensive how it will 'pan out' now. I don't think we have a choice really so, hope for the best.


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Post  Atlas on Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:35 pm

The problem is that most people think that politicians rule the world. Fact: They don't. Commerce rules the world. Which is why the politicians spend a great deal of their time bouncing around the globe trying to make 'deals'. Traders (a common term for business people) will trade with 'anyone' who will make them a 'buck' - regardless of what government tries to stand in their way. They have the 'will' to succeed which overrides any politicians 'will' to thwart them. The EU is led by commercial considerations - not by political commissioners. The commissioners are only there to do the 'will' of the 'commercial interests' when all is 'exposed' and will, in the end result, adhere to those interests or 'be removed' by them. Brexit isn't, and never was, a problem for the 'traders' who know that for them to succeed they must have the 'backing' of their consumers regardless of which political entity rules the roost. Britain's trade is there for the taking by anyone willing to take it. - - - Show me a trader that doesn't want to -!!!! And I will show you a mirage - !!!!!!!Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 am

There are so many things to consider on the brexit question, beyond my knowlege or interest. It's unpredictable to me, a lucky dip. Do I feel lucky,  Shocked  hmmm, so-so.

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Post  Atlas on Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:18 pm

Churchill once said: - It's good at last to be alone with one's thoughts and not to have to account for one's sympathies whilst trying to please others. It was a comment given when France surrendered in June 1940 - And another : France says that man will wring our neck like a chicken -. Some neck. Some chicken. In other words one's destiny lies better with one's own decisions and counsel and one's own tenacity. Think lucky - and the chances are you will be lucky.Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:15 pm

For those of us who don't think Churchill is a dog that sells insurance, it's good to hear what the great man had to say, before the voters booted him out. How relevant are his speeches today ? The population is very different and reacts very differently.

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Post  Atlas on Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:14 pm

If you are trying to tell me they are a spineless lot today then I have to say that the answer to that is NO they are not. They may have greater expectations for less input and believe the State has a responsibility to comfort their ills. But when it comes to 'relationships' they are just as 'bolshie' as ever. The best way to infuse determination is to tell someone they 'can't' do it - and stand back. The dye is cast on this one. The time for moaning or mourning is over. The answer now lies with the 'real' people - and I don't mean civil servants or statesmen or well-heeled parasites. Evil or Very Mad
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Post  cyfrifia on Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:05 am

General situation for the uk as we move towards brexit is not brilliant. If it was, the vote may have gone the other way. Brexit is just one item in a risky looking future, global trends in wealth and trade etc leaving europe behind. If the population of the uk continues to increase as it is, that's a lot of people to provide for, with resources already overstretched. If we get through the brexit process and aftermath without too much socio-economic trauma we will be doing well. Many nations have had to re-invent and re-organise themselves, the uk might have to do something similar.



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Post  Atlas Yesterday at 3:19 pm

You cannot make a new omelette without breaking some new eggs. I have a little experience with 'staid' organisations and the problems of renewal. Nothing gets done that makes an improvement without a 'massive' upheaval. People don't like to change and although their present situation is lamentable they make no effort other than to sit and bemoan their lot - until --- something happens that blasts the situation into 'a must do action'. I see this Brexit thing as 'a must do action' or we stay immersed in an a never ending merry-go-around of failing 20 century states picking up the pieces for them and ourselves and hoping to survive what is coming - which I might add we won't unless we move ourselves. It will hurt and it will be difficult - but it will be a new start. The rest is up to the people themselves.Shocked Mad Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile
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