Halifax Road

Jeanie Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:38 pm

Why have the roads not been gritted Halifax Road Smallbridge is horrendous ?

Charly Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:44 pm

Funny you should mention it Jeanie, this morning I was right at the end of the cul-de-sac that is Brookfield Drive off Starring Way it was being gritted by a man with a shovel following a council truck.
I noticed the stark contrast between the private housing estate and the council estate, which was of course not treated.
This is the same place where a special recycling pick up took place just after Christmas when everyone else was denied a collection.
I wonder if it could have anything to do with private estate-v-council estate?

Jeanie Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:53 pm

Just looking out of my window you can't tell the road from the pavement cars are at a snail pace ! not good ?

Charly Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:09 pm

There's no sign of it slowing down, we may have to dig our way out of the houses tomorrow!
Time to hibernate I think Sleep

Jeanie Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:42 pm

It will be interesting to read tomorrows news how "other" areas have coped the warnings were out yesterday so more gritters should be out, Main roads should not be so unsafe Shocked

Over the past couple of weeks I can't believe how certain areas have been left un-gritted one in particular is Maitland Close Smallbridge leading to a busy Doctors Surgery nothing more than a dangerous ice rink,I had to walk an elderly person into the surgery the other day this was a priority area that has been left of the list ?

Charly Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:48 pm

No Jeanie, they were far too busy gritting cul-de-sacs on the posh estates.

Jeanie Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:59 pm

Charly wrote:No Jeanie, they were far too busy gritting cul-de-sacs on the posh estates.

Our estate is a joke as well Charly the gritter goes up Oakcliffe Road down Ashbrook Hey Lane the rest of our estate is an ice rink ! Had a guy round today from The Sun Newspaper on another issue which will be in Mondays news He couldn't get over the state of our street another Ice rink !

Guest Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:43 pm

OK, THAT’S IT. I've been shovelling for more than a week now. I'm telling you. That’s it. I quit. Mother Nature put it there. She can damn well clear it up, because there’s no council ploughing or gritting is going on. Evil or Very Mad

I’m through with it. Going to park my ass inside now; ‘nough said !!!

Some smart bod whose house I trudged past tonight had an impressive ‘Snow blower’ going across his driveway … Streuth! how the other half live.

Poppyanna555 Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:14 am

Well, my SKY went down at about 9:15 tonight, so did a couple of my neighbours who told me that they had tapped their dishes knocking the snow off and they were up and running again. So, out I trudged in my slippers and jim-jams and trudged down to the bottom of my garden, got the clothes prop and did the same.....SOD'S LAW...it didn't work! What a Face

Sorry to deviate from the thread....but we are talking snow so perhaps you'll let me off? tongue

nickih Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:13 am

No hairdo for me today - look like Lily Savage my roots are so overgrown. Also missing a wedding in Oldham this afternoon.

Our Sky went off last night, so hero husband went out several times to pelt the dish with snowballs.

Gritter has been up to the square in Wardle (and got a bit stuck). I've only seen land rovers and 4x4s other than that.

southernbelle Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:27 am

Charly wrote:No Jeanie, they were far too busy gritting cul-de-sacs on the posh estates.

Rubbish, they didnt do mine and everyone knows how posh me n sis are!!

Hinch Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:31 pm

Almost burnt the clutch out trying to get my 4X4 Discovery up the 1 in 3 at the end of the street. I was in low-box as well.

Sent Mrs H out to Tesco on foot. The exercise will do her good.

Admin Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:50 pm

Poppyanna555 wrote:
Sorry to deviate from the thread....but we are talking snow so perhaps you'll let me off?

As we were indeed talking about snow Poppy, the word 'drift' rather than 'deviate' might have been more appropriate.

johnb Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:01 pm

I had the misfortune to be driving in Rochdale last night and I cannot begin to describe how poor the conditions were. Considering how long this snow fall had been forecast and how accurate the forecast was, why were the main roads not being gritters ans ploughed as the snow fell?

On a related subject, why are the able bodied unemployed not being offered minimum wage to clear footpaths and areas inaccessible to gritters?

It would be cheap at twice the price.

Poppyanna555 Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:03 pm

Haha....love it! Very Happy

Charly Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:07 pm

johnb wrote:
On a related subject, why are the able bodied unemployed not being offered minimum wage to clear footpaths and areas inaccessible to gritters?

Hearing stories about benefit delays while working at Foodbank would surely put people off doing a few days work if they've got to start a new claim again!
It seems the average wait time till any money is received is anything up to 15-16 weeks and a few days snow shifting at minimum wage isnt going to last until they get benefits sorted.

keithatrochdale Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:19 pm

Which Councillor is paid extra money for being in charge of the gritting?

I suggest we all ask him/her for an explanation; no amount of "hot air" on here is going to make a difference, but a number of e-mails might.

Guest Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:08 pm

keithatrochdale wrote:Which Councillor is paid extra money for being in charge of the gritting?

I suggest we all ask him/her for an explanation; no amount of "hot air" on here is going to make a difference, but a number of e-mails might.

Councillor Martin Burke, who is the RMBC Portfolio Holder-Cabinet Member (£ Razz

Additional 'Cabinet' Allowance) for Environmental & Operational Services. martin.burke@rochdale.gov.uk His full contact details are on the council site.

Don't think you'll get anywhere though, as he's part of Rochdale Borough MP's own 'family Clan' who are in local Councillor positions

The alternative to custodial sentences for criminals is often Community Service Orders, defined in a number of unpaid hours worked. Perhaps it would be good to see that they were repaying communities by clearing snow, gritting pavements, etcetera. We've been told that they remove graffiti and litter pick for environmental benefits. Add on snow clearing squads and people might even start to think Community Service sentencing has a bit more merit !

past it Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:40 pm

I don't know about posh areas getting special attention from gritters, but last night I walked up to the centre of Heywood and the conditions were so bad I doubt if anything could have coped. If the M6 is blocked what chance have the rest of us got?
Part of our problem is that we simply do not seem able to cope with snow in any quantity and I do not include the infirm who do need help.
I watched many cars last night revving the guts out of their engines with wheels spinning like dervishes and of course not just getting nowhere themselves but blocking the roads for others.
I don't think we are are as neighbourly as we used to be in helping others out. It seems now to be "not my job" Where I live three elderly people have had their paths cleared and I am not suggesting I did it.

Charly Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:49 pm

past it wrote: I don't know about posh areas getting special attention from gritters, .

The area I mentioned is a cul-de-sac with 4 or 5 large detached houses, I just thought it was a waste of resources as the road is only used by the people in those houses yet places like Halifax Road (a main A road) and roads like Oakcliffe Road/Ashbrook Hey Lane which lead to estates are left untreated.

Poppyanna555 Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:56 pm

I have a lovely neighbour, 71 yrs of age and fit as a fiddle. He has been out the last two days at the crack of dawn and shoveled snow away from 6 of the 12 properties on our row and then gone further along to make a point of shifting the snow from outside an 87 yrs old neighbour's home. Lovely man!

keithatrochdale Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:38 pm

Mojo Hill wrote:
keithatrochdale wrote:Which Councillor is paid extra money for being in charge of the gritting?

I suggest we all ask him/her for an explanation; no amount of "hot air" on here is going to make a difference, but a number of e-mails might.

Councillor Martin Burke, who is the RMBC Portfolio Holder-Cabinet Member (£ Additional 'Cabinet' Allowance) for Environmental & Operational Services. martin.burke@rochdale.gov.uk His full contact details are on the council site.

Don't think you'll get anywhere though, as he's part of Rochdale Borough MP's own 'family Clan' who are in local Councillor positions

The alternative to custodial sentences for criminals is often Community Service Orders, defined in a number of unpaid hours worked. Perhaps it would be good to see that they were repaying communities by clearing snow, gritting pavements, etcetera. We've been told that they remove graffiti and litter pick for environmental benefits. Add on snow clearing squads and people might even start to think Community Service sentencing has a bit more merit !

Hmm, I asked him a question well before xmas and also did as he asked, put it in writing - still waiting for an answer! Mad

Why do we have Councillors? Shocked

johnb Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:02 pm

Charly;

You know very well that provided work undertaken is less than 16 hours per week, unemployment benefit is unaffected. I am looking to lighten the load and you are playing at class warfare.

Charly Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:43 pm

Not quite unaffected John, the amount is reduced by the amount of income earned plus it would mean a new claim when the work is over ...this is all without messing about with housing and council tax benefits.

cyfrifia Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:37 pm

Over time, most of the regulations and legislation governing the benefit and other systems of UK society have been structured in such a way as to make it illegal, inconvenient or impractical to do useful things.

This is social engineering. It sets out and organises how society functions. The phrase 'social engineering' is very rarely used, it's one of those things like death, eugenics and racism that people do not want to hear about, think about or discuss.

Those who make the regulations and laws have only a limited understanding of the outcome and the mechanisms of society that they create. All these things need to be re-thought and sorted out, but until someone can come up with a phrase that means the same as 'social engineering', which can be spoken, there can be no discussion, and society cannot be re-engineered as it needs to be.

Meanwhile, the unemployed struggle through the snow to the food bank. Cool

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