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Post  Guest Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:07 pm

Just heard a small part of this on the radio.

What a terrible deflection of blame onto the victims; a truly monumental cover-up


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Post  UP THE DALE Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:36 pm

Agree Mojo Hill.

All those responsible, politicians, police, media, everyone guilty of lies, cover up etc need to be brought to justice including Margaret Thatcher, no matter how old they are. Thatcher hated Liverpool, and was quick to believe the lies, even after she had been told of the lies. The families and supporters of the victims have been brilliant in their quest for the truth, lets hope that the guilty face justice.
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Post  johnb Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:41 pm

But the report exonerates Margaret Thatcher...
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Post  Charly Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:43 pm

Wouldn't worry too much about that John, she's still going to be blamed for anything thats happened since 19-nought plonk
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Post  Hinch Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:51 pm

As a journalist I found it particularly distasteful how the Old Bill started massaging the news as people were still dying on the pitch. The media were just reprinting the press releases from the police as news stories.

I see press releases all the time and they can be very useful but are not in themselves THE news. They are a starting point and signpost the way to a story... although sometimes they are designed as a cover up or to bend the truth.

Rudyard Kipling got it right about journalism and his tenets hold just as true today:-

I keep six honest serving men
(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who.


The journalist who tries to stick to this will rarely go far wrong.

What the so-called journalists got up to at Hillsborough and in the aftermath was inexcusable. The Sun was the worst culprit but they weren't the only one.

They were little better than paid stooges in a massive police cover-up.
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Post  Jeanie Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:56 pm

A victory at last for the families but downright disgusting to think 41 people could have survived this terrible tragedy just so sad x
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Post  Poppyanna555 Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:57 pm

I totally agree Mojo Hilly, what an appalling state of affairs! Those poor families have been so brave in their fight to get to the truth and my heart goes out to them.
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Post  johnb Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:16 pm

One worries where else the truth has been strangled in this way.

One hopes that the enormity of the tragedy caused an aberration in behaviour. Somehow I doubt it though, and more examples will come to light in due course.
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Post  UP THE DALE Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:55 pm

At the very least Thatcher repeated the LIES about some of the fans being responsible, despite the fact that she had been told at least some of the truth. She publicly backed the police , on the issue.

I will blame Thatcher for things she should be blamed for, just like I will all politicians who deserved to be blamed. Thatcher hated Liverpool like she hated the Miners for having the guts to stand up to her government's policies.
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Post  Atlas Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:39 am

They were different times with different problems. Today's young people wouldn't recognise them at all. It was these sort of tragedies that eventually forced the football fraternity to get its act together and replace inadequate grounds (Hillsborough was not suited for that meeting as they well knew from the previous years 'squash'). It also forced the powers that be to look at their methods of policing and crowd controls and to train some of their people in 'how to police such meetings'. 96 people died from an inadequate venue, inadequate controls and a general fear and ignorance of the pattern of events - which also included inadequate communications between agencies both inside and outside the grounds. 1989 followed closely the miners and Scargill and the 'red' unionists of the previous two decades. It was hardly surprising such an event took place. If it hadn't been Hillsborough it would have been elsewhere. Nothing gets done in this country until 'after' the horse has bolted. It's endemic.
As for the cover-up. Nothing new there at all. It paled to insignificance against the miners strike and the dirt that was dished out there.
Don't look for scapegoats now - they are either too old (as with Nazi war criminals) or dead already. Publish by all means. Denigrate if you so wish but don't start another useless round of hand-wringing which will cost us yet more millions. The families of the dead deserve some justice. Not something that happens very often in this world.
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Post  UP THE DALE Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:35 pm

Norman Bettison is an absolute disgrace, and should be sacked, have his titles taken away from him and prosecuted. He is still trying to put the blame of the tragedy on some of the fans.
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Post  Guest Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:25 pm


Agree with that UTD. Sad The Hillsborough disaster did not force the powers that be to look at institutionalised corruption within the ‘Old Bill’ though Atlas. Police statements changed, defensiveness, authoritarianism and their own “tribal” secrecy, with not one single internal ‘Whistle Blower’ in all those years !
It has taken 23 years and an authentic Independent Panel to establish truths. You’re right that many will have retired by now or soon will, and prosecutions against Command ranks are alien.


Will there even be a “ second ” retirement from one leading police Chief? Perhaps, if it becomes absolutely needed to protect some of his pensions Members of the Hillsborough Families Support group and others are calling for Sir Norman Bettison’s resignation. He insists even to this day that the behaviour of fans in the stadium made the job of the police "harder than it needed to be." A pompous, thick-skinned dork, or an invincible authority...

Sir Norman Bettison, Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police since 2007 and a former Chief Constable of Merseyside, has had a 39-year career in policing. He’s the most senior serving police constable who was involved with South Yorkshire Police's discredited 1989 Hillsborough operation..
He was awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for distinguished service in the Millennium Honour’s List
He retired once from the police in 2005 and in 2006 received a Knighthood in the Queen’s Birthday Honours list …. for services to policing. He re-joined West Yorkshire Police early in 2007, 2 years after retiring
Bettison then attempted to secure a ‘special package’ to receive both a retirement pension from Merseyside and a salary from the new post. He ‘threatened’ legal action, but the claim was settled, notably out of court. Need, Greed, Entitlement, Cultural aberrations ?


Questions remain about the bereaved and the maligned getting justice from within a criminal justice system that seems to put top police rank beyond authentic accountability

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