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Post  cyfrifia on Sun May 08, 2016 9:44 am

Elephants are having a hard time in africa, being slaughtered for ivory in huge numbers, threatened with extinction, and where they are surviving in some numbers,threatened by drought.

With a bit of care, elephants can live and breed quite well in Britain, should we import a fair few quite urgently, and what arrangements can be made to give them permanent homes?

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Post  Atlas on Sun May 08, 2016 2:20 pm

Surveys have shown that the elephants in captivity live only half as long as those (if left alone) in the wild. It is therefore better they are left in their own environment. How one combats the poachers and the weather is quite another question. On balance rather than let them go extinct it would be wiser to keep some in captivity and hope for better times - but the costs of that should not outweigh the costs of securing them in the wild. You tell me? Mad Mad Shocked Shocked Smile
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Post  cyfrifia on Sun May 08, 2016 11:05 pm

Depends what you mean by captivity. Quite a lot of big animals from africa and south america are kept in semi-captivity in UK zoo/parks. Indian elephants have been kept in captivity, or domesticated, for centuries, and get on all right. African elephants might be less domesticatable, maybe, but given winter shelter and someone to look after them in the summer, would probably be quite manageable, and no worse than some people or other animals, people are regularly killed by cattle.

Elephants are highly intelligent and given good mangement, fairly co-operative. Average lifespan of wild elephants is plummeting as they are being illegaly killed for ivory in large numbers. The future for elephants is probably living in closer relationship with humans, and a free range type of arrangement, always with care and management looks like the only option really.

It's a two way relationship, people benefit from having elephants around. In general principle, we ought to do what we can to preserve them, and their future in africa looks perilous. Importing and looking after a moderate number of them in the UK seems like a good thing all round. There is quite a lot to find out and prepare, so the sooner we get on the case the better.

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Post  cyfrifia on Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:54 am

African elephants are being killed by organised gangs for their ivory faster than they are being born. The mathematics add up to extinction.

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Post  Atlas on Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:57 pm

The species will disappear in the next 20 years unless we (the West) take sufficient numbers away to safety and prosper with a breeding program. We should have already (if we care enough) fortified appropriate areas to preserve them and if we haven't it shows we don't care enough. The other side of the coin is that all species evolve and die out in time and should we therefore 'mess with nature' albeit in this instance the species being 'disappeared' before their allotted time. Wink Wink
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Post  cyfrifia on Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:23 pm

Elephants, Rhinos etc need armed guards if they are going to survive.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39194844

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Post  Atlas on Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:37 pm

Rhino and elephant gold, swiftly followed by tiger and snow leopard silver. Man wants - man strives to get and it won't matter to what lengths they have to go. Yes - we need to fortify the enclosures as the greedy get going and the desperate tag along. Mad Mad Mad Mad
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Post  cyfrifia on Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:09 am

Unless some drastic or clever ways are used to save animals like rhino, elephant, giraffe etc, they will go the way of the dinosaurs, extinct within a hundred years or so. Elephant tusks can be dyed pink which reduces the value of the ivory. Safe safari parks and zoos in Europe might be the best bet.

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Post  Atlas on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:15 pm

Where is 'safe'? The cost of safe outweighs the value unless the income for viewing the 'rarest' beasts on the planet is commensurate. 'Roll up, roll up. See an 'elephant' -. £100 quid a peek. Which will only happen when there are virtually none left. Until then - don't hold your breath -.

It is inevitable that the most sought after will disappear first - and soon as man strives for survival amongst his rapist brother. I can't save the world and man can't save himself - let alone the animals.

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