Grooming latest

Mr.Mohammed looks well stoned in his photo.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/uploads/f1/news/img/201441_153825.jpg
Hopefully any possible links to drug dealing have been followed up.

cyfrifia wrote:

Mr.Mohammed looks well stoned in his photo.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/uploads/f1/news/img/201441_153825.jpg
Hopefully any possible links to drug dealing have been followed up.  

Perhaps he was just tired.  Appearances can be a flawed barometer of substance misuse and some health problems .  

Did you buy the detached, uploaded photo ?  It may be worth you checking up on the RO policy   

Mojo Hill wrote:
Perhaps he was just tired.  Appearances can be a flawed barometer of substance misuse and some health problems .  

Did you buy the detached, uploaded photo ?

No, it's on the internet. It can be difficult to distinguish whether someone is stoned or just tired, as in this photo of Keith Richards,
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2010/10/28/keithrichards.jpg
Which is also on the internet.

Prosecutions continue

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/93038/ansar-sadiq-jailed-for-grooming-and-having-sex-with-underage-girl

Organised grooming gangs must be the main target of policing and prosecution, the attitudes that allowed them to operate with impunity does seem to be changing?

Only if our society keeps up the pressure. It's cultural in some respects and well outside 'our' indigenous culture. Assimilation/acceptance isn't always an easy road and may take many more generations. (I quote the USA as an example). 2200 with a bit of luck. That's always providing my lot haven't destroyed the planet before then.

There does seem to be more awareness at 'oficial' levels now, of the problems of different cultures mixed too closely too quickly, plus more social pressure to do something about it to prevent child abuse, but yes, it's ongoing.

There is more than one meaning to the word "grooming". In the old-fashioned sense of the word, the councillor appearing in this

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/93314/councillor-farooq-ahmed-fails-to-overturn-conviction-for-section-4-public-order-offence

Public order offence story is displaying some startlingly weird facial hair grooming.

Historically one should beware the politician who wears unusual facial adornments. It shows a lack of what might be considered sensible taste and consequently a lack of good judgement. He who lacks good judgement should never be given a place of power as it often leads to contamination in others and ultimately catastrophe.
You have been advised -.

In response to the "industrial scale" and levels of violence in the grooming, rape and sexual exploitation of mainly white vulnerable children by mainly men of Pakistani eritage, that has gone on unchecked for so many years in many areas of the country, David Cameron has reacted, declaring it a 'National Threat', along with terrorism, and proposes to take punitive action against professionals who wilfully neglect it.

Quite a lot of hot air there, an emphasis on tracing and dealing with offenders rather than imprisoning social workers and teachers might have hit the mark better.

In my early days there was a culture that went - for the good of the school/group/community/nation - anything distasteful was to be closed away in as small a box as one could get it and banished from the realities in order not to corrupt the overall ambient, respectable, society in which we lived. Whistle-blowers were not to be tolerated in any shape or form and consequently went underground to survive. It is hardly surprising what we are witnessing today as time has eroded most of that culture. For the hand-wringers and apologists and those that cast aspersions with hindsight - they didn't have to live with it. It's easy (not to mention crass) to talk after the event. Trafficking and child abuse of young white females by mainly Asians in this country is NOT something new. It began in the 1970's and was known about then and for the reasons given plus racial discrimination was dealt with in the aforementioned manner. The orders came from the top (as shown by the Cyril Smith affair). You don't rock the 'top' at your peril.

The BBC is going making a drama programme about the Rochdale grooming cases. Apparently it won't be filmed in Rochdale, or maybe it will, secretly, the press is contradictory about that. Apparently it will avoid mention of the ethnicity or cultural background of the offenders.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/maxine-peake-star-drama-based-11547800

A three part drama, might be entertaining, Lisa Riley will be in it. Looks like she has lost a lot of weight. Also featuring actresseses Jill Halfpenny who was in Coronation St. and won Strictly come dancing in 2004, and Maxine Peake, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Peake
There's no business like show business.

It will remain to be seen just how near the truth they get and just how they circumvent the ethnicity problem that was prevalent in Rochdale throughout those times. Whilst grooming and trafficking isn't solely the province of the Asians in Rochdale they did play a very significant part in it. To many of us observing it appeared to be easy white meat due to the culture of those who were the victims. These men are evil and would not have stopped at white girls had other ethnicities been available. It's just the way it played out. One must reserve judgement until we have seen the 'drama'.

I don't see how this is a fit subject for 'drama'.

All issues are not closed and it could prejudice future trials.

The BBC have decades of experience and legal departments who will understand the issues about making docu-dramas. Surely they know what's what and where exactly to draw the line. Or, have the BBC come so far off the rails that they cannot be trusted?

The BBC are not the staunch reliable government mouth-piece of the past and cannot be trusted to be impartial where the reputations of the 'state' are concerned. Whether this follows through to 'drama' and 'censorship' of the same I wouldn't know. Only the writers could tell you that - which they won't do if they want to continue their 'contractual' arrangements with the organisation. It's another of those pc keep your head down don't rattle the collection tin affairs. I go elsewhere for my global news as well as the BBC and in that way it is possible to get a fuller picture and a more realistic picture of events as they happen. There's 'treading carefully' and there's 'cringing bum covering'. The BBC has, these days, too many of the latter.

This forthcoming BBC drama based on a Rochdale grooming case, to be called 'Three Girls', will be made in association with the TV production company 'Studio Lambert' who usually produce popular light entertainment shows such as Gogglebox, Tattoo Fixers, Undercover Boss, Four in a Bed, and similar. This will be Studio Lamberts' first drama production.

A controversial subject for a tv drama http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2016/new-drama-three-girls

It would appear every effort has been made to reproduce this tale of obscenity and wilful neglect in all it's traumatic and devastating aspects.  We shall see.

As with war films etc etc it can never do the thing justice as it would be too traumatic for the viewers and thus the rest is to be left to the imagination.

The BBC drama seems to have failed to materialise? The reality carries on though.
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-02-18/serial-rapist-starts-another-jail-sentence-for-attack-on-vulnerable-girl-16-on-beach/

It is often the process of 'timings'. BBC cannot broadcast material that may be viewed and misinterpreted or likely to cause bias or influence the public whilst legal proceedings of a very similar nature are going on at the same time. It has always been retrospective in order for natural justice (without prejudice) to be done.
As regards these 'groomers' or to put it more succinctly 'serial sexual predators' it would seem they have received their just desserts to the extent of the law as it stands. It may have the desired effect in that in the future they may ensure 'age' to be the important part of their 'sexual stalkings' and may target over 16's to avoid measures being taken against them. It's that 'line' again that we have discussed before. But does it protect the less capable or the more vulnerable?

These people just clog up the drains.

That's why you have 'Dyno-rod'. Removes the filth to another place - but doesn't eradicate it. In this case elsewhere where the eye doesn't see and the heart doesn't grieve. Life is full of these small undesirables.

An expensive as well as unpleasant business, there is talk of throwing 40milion pounds at it.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/amber-rudd-barnardos-salford-trafficking-12611410
Whether that finance will arrive usefully? The emphasis is online grooming. Whether that 'Manchester' money can be used in and as Rochdale needs it? Some, use of deportation would seem a best option in financial, social and practical terms.