Britain leaving the E.U.

It makes sense to sort out trading and social arrangements for the future, but bills of billions for vague, un-accounted and possibly corrupt E.U. finances of the past are on shaky legal ground. Sorting that out could keep lawyers busy for years.

Again it's very simple really -. There are only 3 net contributors to the EU coffers. We are the second biggest at around £10 billion per annum. Why would they want us to leave????? The Tory Party have a larger 'remain' camp in its ranks than a 'leave' camp - why would they want us to 'leave'????? To satisfy the electorate and not be seen as 'undemocratic' both organisations have to 'appear' to be making the best of a bad job whilst fishing around for the best solution that does the least damage to all. That is what is taking place -.
The Tory Party don't want another dubious General Election at any time soon. Certainly not for at least another two years therefore another four years of wrangling will suit their programme and another £40 billion in the EU coffers will keep them afloat whilst they re-jig their internal finances. What's not to understand. Anything else (other than a grand miracle or catastrophe) is not on the cards. Unless Hammond, Hesiltine and Clarke drop dead in the meantime.

The London government looks to be more financially and politically engaged with the E.U. than it is with the north of England. Is that a statement of the obvious?

Yes - and by this time probably known to a greater percentage of 'northerners' than was at first thought. But it is of course 'logical'. London is a cosmopolitan city full of immigrants and free-roamers and people who deal exclusively with Europe. All, to a greater degree, make a very good living from the EU or European enterprises - so what's the surprise?? The 'City' is the world's most propitious financial centre accounting for over half the world's financial dealings and closely allied to the European capitals - so what's the surprise??

Brexit and the EU are a symptom of 'division' and not just here in the UK. There's the 'doing quite nicely thank you' and the 'done bugger all for 40 years damn you' and like all organisations small or large there are those who do well out of them and those that don't - so what's the surprise??

Apathy and lethargy the two silent sins - that's Brexit - and will be the end of the EU also if they don't very quickly get their act together over there.

Brexit negotiations have meant eurocrats, previously unknown, appearing on our tv screens. Not a pretty sight.

They are only known now because we threaten to topple their personal piggy-banks. Surprise, surprise, but we have been here all along delving away at your national sovereignties, undermining your institutions and filling our pockets from your very generous gifts of industry, commerce and money. And we would have continued to do so had your then Prime Minister not been such a conceited pillock and believed in his own propaganda of 'everything is fine in the UK regardless that it's not. So sad. In fact so sad that we will now expose ourselves and try to convince you that you are inferior and that you don't know what you are doing pursuing a Brexit model and that we Euro-rats have all the answers for the future of the world and we know best. Er - don't forget your next donation to the cause - say £50 billion or so -??

50 billion looks a fair guess at the moment, the price of independence. Giving it away cost the uk a fair bit, one way and the other. Buying it back looks expensive too. I wouldn't send a politician to do the shopping.

Let's face facts:

Fact number 1. The European Union DON'T want us to leave at all and would give a portion of their fat pensions to keep us in.
Fact number 2. All the well-heeled in this country DON'T want us to leave either and would do almost anything to keep us in.
Fact number 3. An impoverished EU isn't good news for the EU's continued future regardless of the fact it is a broken concept and will ultimately fail of its own volition especially without the continued greater mass of people across the Continent providing them with 'Dane Gelt'.
Fact number 4. To continue they will need our 'Dane Gelt' to cover that period of time it will take them to reconstitute their 'payments' procedures and convince the 'new' countries to take less and provide more.

Therefore: Do we pay to keep them afloat and in return insist on a 'good' trade deal? Is that what is best for all concerned? Perhaps it is. The monies they described are small beer in the greater scope of things.
Or do we say. Britain First and screw you -? A WTO deal isn't going to be too much to handle from our point of view.
Or do we do both -?

I always was for reasonable outcomes that suit as many people as possible. But I won't be put upon. I rest my case.