Islam in Europe.
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Re: Islam in Europe.
Why they do it is a mystery, but, humans do make civilisations, with mixed results. Are we living in the decline of one at the moment? Things seem to be hanging together more or less, but the zeitgeist is uncertainty. Perhaps european type civilisation being under attack raises the question of how important it's survival is, if and how we might like it to develop.
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Re: Islam in Europe.
I answered this and the connection dropped -. Will come back on it tomorrow.
Atlas- Time Lord
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Re: Islam in Europe.
As the world gets smaller, in terms of distances/time, and trade becomes global, as in cyber/trade it is inevitable the mixes, tribes, will become cosmopolitan in nature regardless of efforts to 'stem' the complete melange. Business will swoop on the most able regardless of tribal consideration and governments will acquiesce in accordance with their taxable contributions to the power structures and so - - - - - - .
A new mixture will emerge over the coming decades and be far more diverse in its culture and beliefs than any that have gone before. That divergence will inevitably be a cross-section of previous cultures, a new mixture either more secular or less so depending on the final mix. You used the word 'society' - that can mean whatever you class it to be a the time of your research. Society just means any group of people brought together through mutual interests. Society is what makes it and what the participants make of it.
Western society is whatever it is at the time of reference as it is continuously in flux.
Mi 'ead hurts now - I'm going for a lie down.
A new mixture will emerge over the coming decades and be far more diverse in its culture and beliefs than any that have gone before. That divergence will inevitably be a cross-section of previous cultures, a new mixture either more secular or less so depending on the final mix. You used the word 'society' - that can mean whatever you class it to be a the time of your research. Society just means any group of people brought together through mutual interests. Society is what makes it and what the participants make of it.
Western society is whatever it is at the time of reference as it is continuously in flux.
Mi 'ead hurts now - I'm going for a lie down.
Atlas- Time Lord
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Re: Islam in Europe.
Headaches and carnage seem to be the situation in the middle east. We tend to become a bit jaded and perhaps cynical about news reports, but it does seem I.S. is being driven out, many killed, but also many moving to, or returning to, Europe. Which counties in Europe will get the worst of that, I wonder?
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One shouldn't confuse irrational immigrants with home-grown idiots - -. So - - taking the two differences aside and beginning with the 'immigrant' (whether that be in the guise of a refugee or otherwise) it seems that whichever country takes in the most 'unvetted' or 'at face value' will be the country to suffer the most. Germany seems to be a likely candidate as time passes. But with freedom of movement it could be any. The home-grown idiot will be as a result of numerous things, deprivation, isolation, education and integration. Whichever country does those best will suffer the least. Which means it could very well be us here in the U.K. We are hopeless at all four. Does that give you much more confidence to carry on - - - ?
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Re: Islam in Europe.
UK politics is apparently fully occupied now with brexit, meanwhile the question of islamic state fighters, UK citizens, returning to Britain seems an open question on the agenda. There is a range of opinions, which might change depending on events. Will it be sorted out 'behind the scenes' or, become a political 'hot potato'?
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'Your country expects -'. Is not the same as 'Your citizen expects -. Everyone relies too heavily on government, whether local or national, to provide absolute security and justice in all things. An expectation which is quite beyond the realms of logic or rationale. With returnees there is a precedence set decades ago and adequately practised but which now would probably be illegal under the 'Human Rights' acts which the government could put into force had it the will or more probably the money to do so, not withstanding the ECJ or our own courts. Given the hue and cry regarding this had it been my decision as what to do with these people I would have instituted the post war projects and de-nazified them before allowing them back into 'society'. But it's not my call.
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