International violence and UK security.

According to BBC investigations,
Michael Adebolajo became psychotic after visiting Kenya, where he was beaten and sexually abused by security forces. Many places in the world are in extremely brutal conflict, mainly involving Islamic groups of various kinds. People coming and going to and from the UK are bringing the experiences, beliefs and traumas of these wars to the streets here. Soldiers returning from Afghanistan and Iraq suffer trauma and are not being supported as well as they need to be.


Quote: "Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police Sir Peter Fahy told the BBC there had been a "steady stream of plots", which had on the whole been foiled by police.
He said the police and the security services were "particularly concerned" about people travelling from Britain to conflict areas such as Mali, Syria and Iraq and the increase in extremist websites."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

This influx of international violence is problematic. UK security and police forces are under pressure, as there is a "steady stream of plots", foiled before the public hear of them. More attention needs to be paid to monitoring who is allowed through UK borders and where they are coming from; and also to supporting members of UK armed forces returning from Afghanistan etc.

Many of the African, Asian and Middle eastern countries are in a state of 'flux'. This is part of an evolutionary process through which most western countries passed over the last two hundred years. It could be said that the Western countries are more settled in their present democratic environments whilst those aforementioned are 'finding their way'. Those who know of their own history will doubtless see some similarities with the present conflicts abroad especially the religious connotations and the mayhem that followed. Whilst these processes are going on extremists from all religions and political persuasions will take full advantage of the ignorant and the poor (generally not their own fault but a fault of inept, miserable and corrupt governments) and use them for their own purposes. The lust for power comes in many guises and should never be underestimated. As for safeguarding our own borders I would agree that we need to be vigilant but I cannot see how we can avoid being drawn into these problems when we (our governments) constantly interfere with these transitions.

Yes, there has been, and continues, a problem in UK politics, far too much action on foreign policy, and neglect of what needs doing here.

There is speculation in the media that the Woolwich killer was deported to here from Kenya. If so, it makes our deportation system look ridiculous. It is, as is well known.

It would make things easier for UK security if our own deportation systems were brought up to speed.

I think you might find that such stems from a more 'caring, careful and thoughtful' position in our judicial system and that of the EU than a question of 'speed'. There are some crimes for which most would welcome back the death penalty (although I'm not one of them) and an indiscriminate or lackadaisical relaxation of our deportation laws could in many instances result in such penalties for the people thus concerned. Whilst one may say they, those concerned, shouldn't put themselves in such a position in the first place, such isn't due cause to be less vigilant and careful than we are at present.

Exactly. We should be more "vigilant and careful than we are at present ", and a bit quicker about it.

No Charley, nothing more than the full force of law, nothing less.

Well full force of the law would be enough if the law wasn't so soft on thugs and criminals.
Just heard of a young man losing his life after being stabbed on Sunday and another one in hospital after being beaten up at weekend.

Presumably the police are now looking at CCTV coverage to determine the perpetrators.

Perhaps if the police had bodies on the ground, perhaps if the pubs and clubs shut earlier, perhaps if the price of booze in licensed establishments was not so high that people felt the need to get loaded before they went out...

Perhaps if they stopped being so f****** selfish, did a proper days work in their miserable b***** useless lives and GROW UP they might just be of some use to themselves and the rest of us who have to live here.

Bring back the penal battalions.

With one of the two Woolwich accused appearing in court, wishing to be called Mujahid Abu Hamza, blowing kisses to the audience,
and doing a parody of the Usai Bolt pointing gesture, it looks like he is making a circus performance.

Meanwhile, a 'taskforce' on tackling extremism and radicalisation has been set up.

David Cameron adressing the house of commons yesterday, quote: "this morning, I chaired the first meeting of the Government’s new taskforce on tackling extremism and radicalisation. I want the taskforce to ask serious questions on whether the rules on charities are too lax and whether they can allow extremists to prosper; whether we are doing enough to disrupt groups that incite hatred, violence or criminal damage; whether we are doing enough to deal with radicalisation on our university campuses, on the internet and in our prisons; whether we need to do more with informal education centres such as madrassahs to prevent radicalisation; and whether we do enough to help mosques to expel extremists and recruit imams who understand Britain."

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm130603/debtext/130603-0001.htm#13060311000760

Can anyone think of any example of a government 'taskforce' that has achived anything much? This one seems to be expected to "ask serious questions", which is rather different from finding serious answers. Asking serious questions is something a lot of people have been doing for quite some time now.

Horse - door - door - horse - by at least 40 years.

40 years too late, with what, any number of things, or just in tackling extremism and radicalisation?

If it's 40 years too late, and it probably is, does that mean trying to catch up with 40 years worth of things that need doing, or, just accepting that it's too late to do much about it?

cyfrifia wrote:Exactly. We should be more "vigilant and careful than we are at present ", and a bit quicker about it.  

Cyfi: The follow-up to the murder of Lee Rigby appears to be more vigilant.


UK: Muslim in court for circulating terror videos glorifying Woolwich murder

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/uk-muslim-in-court-for-circulating-terror-videos-glorifying-woolwich

A 22-year-old male has today been charged with terror offences for allegedly making videos about the murder of Lee Rigby, for  publishing a statement glorifying terrorism, and for inciting terrorism overseas …...

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/crime/man-charged-with-terror-offences-1-5945376

What a horrible man in the video.  

That's an understatement Cyfrifia!  

Ignorance and crass stupidity is obviously the drivers main attributes. There are some people who will never be a blessing to society. He hadn't even the gumption to remain anonymous. His card is marked for the rest of his life wherever he goes and young and foolish or not he can forget any future good fortunes. Idiot.

Security at Buckingham Palace could be better. Armed police confronted Prince Andrew thinking he was an intruder.

Can't blame them really, he is a dodgy looking character

One has to assume the photograph previously displayed has been removed on the basis that the person portrayed might take exception to being described as 'dodgy'. In retrospect I would think he would be somewhat rather pleased to have been portrayed thus as it was in character to that which he portrayed for many years on the small screen and thus a great compliment. Depends which way you look at things.
As for the Prince - they perhaps mistook him for a classified 00 person of some foreign secret service establishment sent to assassinate the corgis. Who knows?????  

The photo of the actor George Cole wasn't removed, but stopped 'working' for some reason, here is a better one. Always a pleasure to see him, a favourite 'dodgy' character, who, when in role as a second hand car dealer, does have something of the look of Prince Andrew about him.