Taxi drivers.
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Poppyanna555
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cyfrifia
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Re: Taxi drivers.
In a sense the two are now more equal than at any other time in the past. Whilst it is true that Public Hire have to meet more strigent rulings than their counterparts, Private Hire are restricted to bookings only and not allowed to street ply their trade. The problem will come (if any) from a booking pick-up/ drop-off in the restricted area. If this particular point is de-restricted I cannot see a problem with the proposals.
Atlas- Time Lord
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Private hire taxi drivers tend not to be keen on regulations, this Bradford driver can't see why a private hire car that has been written off as an insurance claim can't be put back on the road without an independent safety check.
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10929717.Bradford_cabbie_challenges_Council_on_policy_on_repaired_taxis/
It's up to local authorities to at least try to enforce some sort of regulations.
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10929717.Bradford_cabbie_challenges_Council_on_policy_on_repaired_taxis/
It's up to local authorities to at least try to enforce some sort of regulations.
cyfrifia- Time Lord
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Have to admit, I've never had a problem flagging down a private hire car even though it's not legal to pick me up unless I've booked.
Hinch- Spaceship Commander
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Some taxi drivers "judged to pose a potential risk to the public" have had their licenses taken from them.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/rochdale-middleton-heywood-taxi-drivers-7020709
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/rochdale-middleton-heywood-taxi-drivers-7020709
cyfrifia- Time Lord
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By the sound of it, some of these guys should not just have had licenses revoked but should have been prosecuted and put on the Sex Offenders Register.
Good to hear however that things appear to be changing but will it be enough?
Time will tell.
Hinch- Spaceship Commander
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How did they get their licenses in the first place?
Surely a check for criminal records should be done on each holder on a regular basis?
Surely a check for criminal records should be done on each holder on a regular basis?
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Criminal records would show 'convictions' only. Not suspicions. How far do you expect the authorities to have to go????
Are you prepared to meet the costs, both public and private, of a more draconian investigation into 'everyone' who wants a taxi license? Next news you will be decrying the use of 'state interference' or 'human rights'.
Are you prepared to meet the costs, both public and private, of a more draconian investigation into 'everyone' who wants a taxi license? Next news you will be decrying the use of 'state interference' or 'human rights'.
Atlas- Time Lord
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We have seen the cost of not properly controlling the taxi drivers of Rochdale, further episodes of the same can't be allowed to happen.
cyfrifia- Time Lord
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Another problem is the number UF unlicensed, unregulated faux 'taxis' out on the roads picking up clubbers etc; particularly at weekends.
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And so - no amount of 'costly' regulation will stop those bent on perversion or criminality. Keeping the lid on is the best you can expect.
Atlas- Time Lord
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Atlas wrote:Criminal records would show 'convictions' only. Not suspicions. How far do you expect the authorities to have to go????
Are you prepared to meet the costs, both public and private, of a more draconian investigation into 'everyone' who wants a taxi license? Next news you will be decrying the use of 'state interference' or 'human rights'.
Well if CRB checks include 'police intelligence' why should that not also be taken into account with taxi drivers? Do not forget they often take children to school and transport vulnerable adults.
And what about the cost if we do nothing, all the police time, social workers, doctors, etc that have to clear up the mess - don't they cost?
Keeping the lid on it was just how Cyril apparently got away with so much - I fail to see how you can condone that!
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Police 'intelligence' at its worst, consists of rumours, unconfirmed tip offs from paid narks and the disgruntled. Not enough to deprive someone of their livelihood and a dangerous and very slippery slope heading in the direction of a police state.
The Dibble in Rochdale can't even keep their own house in order.
There is however a real issue, I think half of the defendants in the big Liverpool grooming trial were taxi drivers. Some of these will be up for parole soon.
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No keithatrochdale I don't condone any wrongdoing of any description whatever it may be. But I'm not such a fool as to expect that money, in some people's estimation, unlimited amounts, can solve the problems. There wouldn't be sufficient funds in the whole world to do that. Therefore I take a pragmatic view. We do what is possible after first feeding,clothing and medically treating the species and IF there is sufficient wherewithall to do other things thereafter then all well and good.
It's called being rational and admitting than NOTHING is perfect or EVER WILL BE. Or as is said - the REAL WORLD.
It's called being rational and admitting than NOTHING is perfect or EVER WILL BE. Or as is said - the REAL WORLD.
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Rochdale council should be applauded for, at last, taking a more realistic approach to licensing and control of the activities of 'taxi' drivers in the area. Of course there are good and decent taxi drivers, and they should be the only ones left on the road.
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I'll drink to that cyfrifia - not before time - but don't expect miracles.
Atlas- Time Lord
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cyfrifia wrote:Rochdale council should be applauded for, at last, taking a more realistic approach to licensing and control of the activities of 'taxi' drivers in the area. Of course there are good and decent taxi drivers, and they should be the only ones left on the road.
Agreed. A more pro-active hands-on approach than the usual ' Lessons ' speech.
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An odd and dangerous idea to change rules to allow unknown people to drive minicab taxis.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/91653/childsex-alert-over-change-in-taxi-law
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/91653/childsex-alert-over-change-in-taxi-law
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Why am I not surprised.
It's all about making more money and creating jobs. Tch.
It's all about making more money and creating jobs. Tch.
Atlas- Time Lord
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The customer has a choice. A taxi firm in Middleton, that previously employed convicted 'groomers' is responding to customer requests for non-asian, white drivers. A statement from Rochdale council says this service is within the conditions of the license.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/21/rochdale-taxi-firm-white-drivers-on-request
There can be confusion about what 'local' driver means. Customers requesting a non-asian, white driver will need to make that clear.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/taxi-firm-town-hit-child-7977376
It's very important to have a choice when you pay someone to do something for you, to provide a 'service'.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/21/rochdale-taxi-firm-white-drivers-on-request
There can be confusion about what 'local' driver means. Customers requesting a non-asian, white driver will need to make that clear.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/taxi-firm-town-hit-child-7977376
It's very important to have a choice when you pay someone to do something for you, to provide a 'service'.
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Thin edge of the wedge. Don't dispute the rights of the customer as regards service but I do dispute the right to make the assumption that one driver is less efficient or acceptable because of the circumstances of his birth.
Atlas- Time Lord
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Sex offenders given taxi driver licenses.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39380921
This doesn't seem a good idea. Another motivation for everyone who can possibly run their own car to do so.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39380921
This doesn't seem a good idea. Another motivation for everyone who can possibly run their own car to do so.
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cyfrifia- Time Lord
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I haven't the slightest doubt that by today's classifications half of my taxi drivers would have been either sex offenders or closet paedophiles or wife batterers or opportunist criminals or something of a distasteful nature to some people. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES THAT WHOMSOEVER ONE EMPLOYS THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOT SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM - IT'S A CHANCE THE EMPLOYER HAS TO TAKE. Known sex offenders shouldn't be employed in this type of business for obvious reasons and one would expect such applicants to be properly vetted on application - but who has the time or money to go into anything other than a cursory vetting of the information provided. There's due diligence and there's stupidity -.
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As you describe, Atlas, for many years it has been casually accepted that some taxi drivers, particularly in the towns of northern England will be sex offenders, opportunist criminals etc. However, it does seem odd that councils are running taxi licensing schemes which formalise this arrangement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39380921
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39380921
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And having read the post and taking everything into consideration persons intent on doing harm will 'pose' as private hire drivers and still do the things they do and no amount of 'vetting' legitimate drivers will stop that. 'Don't talk to strangers' or get into cars with them if you are the least suspicious or fearful for your safety. But - there are no guarantees even with drivers who have been vetted. Life in parts is a lottery and this just illustrates why -.
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