Rape case complainant kills herself

cyfrifia wrote:   Rochdale in the national news again, something truly sad and tragic.   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-26024485         So very sorry to hear that.    

National reports that Miss Shelvey, 41, had testified twice against defendant Patrick Hall, who stood trial last year, charged with raping seven women between 2006 and 2011.
He was acquitted of four rape charges and was cleared of the three ‘other’ charges at a retrial last week.

Reading the GMP summary, I do wonder WHAT " other agencies " the deceased was referred to for support, after she was told by them on Friday evening, given that we seem to have a week-end dearth of  many agency services : -

- ‘ The police force said two specially-trained officers, who had been supporting the woman since she made the rape allegation, visited her home to give her the news of the verdict on Friday evening.  They referred her to "other agencies" for support as she appeared angry and upset, the force added.’ ......


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Chill37: Your PCC calls for, another Review

Tracy Shelvey death: Police and Crime Commissioner Tony Lloyd demands 'urgent review' into treatment of rape and sex abuse witnesses and victims

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/tracy-shelvey-death-police-crime-6669975

Mojo Hill wrote:
Chill37:   Your PCC calls for, another Review

Tracy Shelvey death: Police and Crime Commissioner Tony Lloyd demands 'urgent review' into treatment of rape and sex abuse witnesses and victims

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/tracy-shelvey-death-police-crime-6669975  

Just seen the article and commented on the article on Facebook.  Fully welcome the investigation.  I just hope something comes out this review. I.e. procedures to prevent another person taking their life.    I wil be frank, it's so easy to annouce reviews etc, but actions speak louder than words.      Clearly things need to be changed.

I do not wish to dilute or divert this topic, but I am awaiting the said same PCC to annouce a similar review and hard action into GMP failings in the two recent organised child sex abuse cases.

Chill37 wrote: --- Clearly things need to be changed.
I do not wish to dilute or divert this topic, but I am awaiting the said same PCC to announce a similar review and hard action into GMP failings in the two recent organised child sex abuse cases.

Chill37:  I think your wait for that one will be in vain: -         A new borough-wide programme for recommended actions has just been launched, MASS -  got to have a mnemonic     -  following the Improvement Notice served to Rochdale Council’s children’s services by the Secretary of State in 2012, three prior Reviews and two still-pending reviews.

I too think I am wasting my time in hoping for an investigation into GMP failings

Although there may not be any police failings in this case. They are policemen and women, not miracle workers with the gift of foresight.

If the police who were looking after her on friday evening passed the buck to others, would she then have to wait till monday to get further help?

Don't know. I do know that the police have a very difficult job and cannot be expected to look after everyone who may be vulnerable. It's not their job, surely?

I knew Tracy.
Absolutely tragic.
RIP Lass x

         

There may well be something wrong, but there is a distinct flavour in all the commentaries that even though found innocent, the man is still, somehow guilty. This also cannot be right.

John, it is a sign of the times that the guilty are often protected better than the poor victim.

Just thinking about this makes me feel sad, don't know the full story, but it is a tragic death.

There are too many deaths by falling from multi-storey car park buildings, here are three others recent in the news at the moment.

http://www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/10983420.Woman_in_Keighley_death_plunge_named/?ref=mr

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Woman-in-Cambridge-multi-storey-car-park-plunge-could-have-lay-dying-unnoticed-for-hours-triggering-safety-review-calls-20140118061244.htm

http://www.worthingherald.co.uk/news/man-dies-in-fall-from-worthing-car-park-1-5843680

Hinch wrote:I don't think this lady 'fell'. All indications are that she took her own life.

There seems, on the surface, to be a lot of questions to be asked and answered. She seemed to have been a particularly vulnerable person with a multiplicity of problems.

Let's hope that the truth comes out.

Spot on, Hinch.



The old adage "never judge a book by its cover" springs to mind.

I'll leave it there for now.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Holding the breath awaiting the truth to be told is a maybe not the best idea. Look at the Hillsborough inquiry, it can take years of lobbying for these things to get anywhere, meanwhile the facts are twisted this way and that to suit the agenda. Who has a main interest in getting to the truth and making it known? Newspaper reports are often shallow, facile and repeated, we need a much more vigorous investigative press.

Given that, we do hope the truth will emerge, and meantime skeptical of opinions.

Multi-storey car parks are grim. Ever since they appeared to blight our landscape, people have regularly fallen from them, accidentally or on purpose.

People are affected by the architecture they are surrounded by. For anyone that is depressed, multi-storey car parks must deepen that depression, the soulless, alienating architecture and harsh acoustics, the grim functionality, has always been a favorite film and TV background for grim, gritty dramas.

Multi-storey car parks are probably the most awful sort of architecture devised in the history of humanity, hard, nasty, disorienting, with sheer drops on to desolate pavements. The effect they have on people's mood should be recognised, and much more safety features applied to them.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/man-serious-condition-after-falling-4806239 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/392268/Three-children-found-dead-at-home-after-pregnant-mum-is-killed-in-plunge http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10780850.Call_to_cut_suicide_risk/ http://antidepaware.co.uk/when-is-a-suicide-not-a-suicide/ http://www.stalbansreview.co.uk/news/10361853.Man_who_fell_to_death_from_multi_storey_car_park_named/?ref=rss http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10079689.Man_fell_to_death_from_multi_storey_car_park/

Mentioning the record of multi-storey car parks for accidents and suicides was not meant to detract. I'm distressed by the story and tried to imagine how the lady might have felt. Best to let those who do know what happened give their account. My reaction is sadness and sympathy.

Your question, Hinch: Is the Witness Protection Programme a 24/7 service, adequately resourced and delivered by highly trained personnel as in Liverpool or is it a dumbed-down operation struggling to operate on a 9-5 Mon-Fri basis?

Needs a proper answer. The environment we live in, built, social and how it is organised all needs to have more humane priorities. If no support is there for vulnerable witnesses over the weekend, and that seems quite probable, it needs sorting out.

Your style serves well on the forum Hinch, I find it more difficult to express what I mean in writing, but for some reason I keep trying.   

Again, so sad to hear of this tragedy, and hope some sort of improvement by way of support for witnesses emerges from it.

[size=18][Just announced, William Roach also found not guilty on all five counts of rape.

These historical cases are never easy to prove./size]

Hinch wrote:This isn't just about making sure they turn up in court.

So many services and organisations do work to that sort of 'bottom line', measure of performance. A 'price of everything and value of nothing' arrangement unsuitable for services that deal with people.