Knowl View

Well both Charly and myself were wondering weeks ago on here if Knowl View would come to light. This needs investigating fully. Looks like as he got older he went for younger victims, if these reports are true.

It was a bad day when the town lost RAP, for at least it dared question the goings on of the politicians etc of the town.
The local paper is and always has been a load of rubbish, and always acted as though it was the Cyril Smith fan club.

What a shame this so called man could not have been held to account when he was alive. Sadly too many were always there to rubbish his accusers and to protect him in the police and other high places. I dread to think how many more acts of abuse he might have carried out, as he spent a lot of time in the company of children and young adults in his many roles, many of these roles to do with children.

Like Saville, Smith seamed to favour working with young people, we now have an idea why.

I didn't know a lot about Knowl View and have repeatedly come across the following in reading old news and reports etc

The full truth may take a while to emerge: Knowl View school records have been restricted from public view for 100 years. ! ?

Let's hope this isn't true, or that it can be over-ruled in the best interests of separating rumours from truths.

Charly wrote:100 years? Is that so everyone involved will be long dead?
Has this restriction ever been placed on a schools records before?

Charly: ‘Yes.’ It appears to be about policies for access to Restricted Records Under The Data Protection Act, 1998 and Freedom of Information Act, 2000.

The Data Protection Act may restrict access to records for the lifetime of a person, given that personal information contained in a record may be considered sensitive or liable to cause distress….such as data which provides details on: racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious beliefs, membership of a trade union, a physical or mental health condition, their sexual life, committing or alleged committing by them of any offence or any proceedings detailing that offence.

School Records (both Local Authority and private deposit)School registers, such as admission registers, punishment registers and school log books contain personal data, including names, addresses and dates of birth, and sensitive personal data, such as transfer to approved schools, misdemeanours, punishments received, and health problems. The following closure periods and restrictions have applied to school records:

Admission registers: These records are subject to a 96 year closure due to the Data Protection Act 1998 (if living) and Freedom of Information Act s40 – personal information.
Log books: These records are subject to a 96 year closure due to the Data Protection Act 1998 (if living) and Freedom of Information Act s40 – personal information.
Punishment books, pupil records/cards, accident books, contagious illness records: These records are subject to a 96 year closure due to the Data Protection Act 1998 (if living) and Freedom of Information Act s40 – personal information.
Staff records: These records are subject to an 84 year closure period under the Data Protection Act 1998 (if living) and Freedom of Information Act s40 – personal information.

Records relating to Children’s Homes may be closed for 100 years under the Data Protection Act 1998.

Right of access may be granted to an individual for that individual’s personal information provided it doesn’t breach the confidentiality of ‘other’ third parties.


And all of this might have been legally amended, but I'm not aware if it has. Perhaps someone else reading is better informed ?

The following was published in 1995, giving many names and information about Knowl View:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boys-in-special-school-were-at-risk-of-aids-1600318.html


If anyone has any doubts that our council and police have not been aware over time, it is a “must read,” albeit of mind-numbing neglect and abuses.

A point is surely that ‘other’ offenders (and victims) involved are alive and needs for justice remain?

It's been commented elsewhere on this forum that there should be ' no taboos,' but transparency.
I wonder if this entire Knowl View situation will finally be thoroughly, openly investigated.

I congratulate your tenacity in trying to get some justice for the abuses and victims of Knowl View.

Am I right in thinking you are convinced of Smith's involvement in abuse of children at Knowl View, and if so was he involved for a number of years in various abuses?

I think this shows just what a disgusting power hungry bully he was. It's obvious that he had people who knew of his actions, possibly colleagues of his. People who were more concerned about defending the reputation of an abuser than the victims of his actions.

Many were convinced of his guilt of abuses at Knowl View as well as Cambridge House, though the Cambridge House abuses are far well known.

The fact that he had someone warn you off is enough to realise he had something to hide OR that also he knew of others who were involved, maybe close acquaintances of his.

Check your PM

Have done, cheers for that.

People in the know not standing up to the likes of Smith, are as much to blame as they are for getting away with criminal acts.