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Post  Atlas Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:30 am





I'll second that. bounce drunken affraid


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Post  keithatrochdale Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:00 am

Atlas wrote:I'll second that. bounce drunken affraid 

And me; especially people in positions of power, which IMHO makes it much, much worse.

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Post  Guest Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:43 pm

Is this yet another NFR ? Normal For Rochdale.       Announcement, made late Friday, that an "update" on an, err, imminent ' independent ' review is being provided on Monday morning, by representatives of two Agencies, but that there will be no Question & Answer opportunities.           Perhaps it's a misprint due to pre-election irritants  Exclamation       
repro: - 'Rochdale Borough Council's Newsroom, online
MEDIA UPDATE***
Press Release  •  Apr 25, 2014  17:34 BST
What – Press Conference regarding Rochdale Borough Council’s review into Knowl View and related matters. The leader of Rochdale Borough Council, Councillor Colin Lambert and Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, Sir Peter Fahy, will provide an update on the review for those present.

Date – Monday, 28 April, 2014.

Time - 10am for a 10.15am start. All those in attendance must be set up and seated by 10.15am as latecomers will be refused entry.

Where – Rooms 1 and 2, Rochdale Town Hall, The Esplanade, Rochdale, Lancashire OL16 1AB - a parking area for satellite vehicles will be coned off.

Reporters, photographers and film crews are welcome but will need to sign in upon entry and show press accreditation.   To register your interest please contact the Newsdesk on newsdesk@rochdale.gov.uk or 01706 926002.

* Please note - There will be no question and answer session following the update by the leader of the council and Chief Constable Fahy '.

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Post  Guest Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Mojo Hill wrote:  
repro: - 'Rochdale Borough Council's Newsroom, online
MEDIA UPDATE***             for Monday, 28 April, 2014.
* Please note - There will be no question and answer session following the update by the leader of the council and Chief Constable Fahy 'Rolling Eyes

 Mad OK, one question ... " in the wind " then

A former pupil at Knowl View school, Michael Seed, friend and priest to former Prime Minister Tony Blair, aka the ‘priest-to-the-stars,’ wrote of sexual abuse that took place there in his book ‘ Nobody’s Child ;’ a grisly bio, bit-serialised in the Daily Mail in 2007.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/school-sex-abuse-horror-revealed-1002596

- Did Seed’s later fall from grace exclude directly obtaining his memories and experiences of Knowl View school during all of these different enquiries / investigations / reviews   Question ( was he one of many witnesses included 

Tony Blair's priest fixed papal knighthoods for cash. 2012: - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370323/Tony-Blairs-priest-fixed-papal-knighthoods-cash.html

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Post  Hinch Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:28 am

Keep your eyes glued to Rochdale Online today. Yet another day when our town looks set to dominate the news... for the wrong reasons of course.

Stuff already out on the BBC.
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Post  Hinch Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:10 am

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Post  cyfrifia Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:24 am

It could be a turning point for the better if this investigation turns out to be a real and effective one, there is a lot wants clearing up.

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Post  Chill37 Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:02 pm


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Post  Hinch Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:22 pm



A lot of interest in this. 34 members of the press there. Four satellite trucks. It would have been better to host it at Riverside.

Watch out for further stories on this.

No arrests yet, but 11 suspects.

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Post  cyfrifia Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:34 pm



From viewing the video of the press conference on that link, it appears the main idea was to limit expectations by explaining that this will be a slow, limited, blinkered, tedious and toothless inquiry conducted by people who would rather be doing something else. So, worked brilliantly for me, my expectations have been well limited.



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Post  keithatrochdale Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:26 pm

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Wait for it...............................lessons will be learnt  



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Post  cyfrifia Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:28 pm


Hinch wrote:A lot of interest in this. 34 members of the press there. Four satellite trucks. It would have been better to host it at Riverside.


Not at all, a small room was chosen to prevent elephants entering the room.



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Post  Guest Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:53 pm

Hinch wrote:Watch out for further stories on this.
Rochdale council this morning launched another new independent inquiry

A spirited reaction from the Knowl View whistleblower:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/knowl-view-whistleblower-rochdale-child-7042195

But Mr Digan said the announcement, prompted by allegations in a new book by Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk, left him unimpressed.

There is ‘not a chance’ the latest review will get to the truth, he said, adding: “What have they really announced? -       The police and council are just looking after each other.

“They just have to tell the truth.   The truth is in front of them.   I want them to give the paperwork to the people - the media, the parents of the children who were attacked at Knowl View, and let them decide on the result. Not a QC.

“Rochdale should stop covering itself up. The council are not fit to investigate it and neither are the police.”
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Loved the RO send-up, or typo, in it's own conference report, of - " the Greater monarchist Police. "

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Post  Atlas Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:21 am




Well I suppose whilst they are all still talking about Rochdale (that well known den of iniquity) everywhere else is getting a rest - Wink Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post  Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:04 pm

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S. Danczuk: -
'hallmarks of an old-fashioned media circus

the authorities still attempt to protect their own

One of the key problems here is that the police themselves were at the heart of the cover-up that they are now charged with investigating  

Cyril Smith's victims don't want police platitudes, they want his accomplices put behind bars'  : -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2615504/Cyril-Smiths-victims-dont-want-police-platitudes-want-accomplices-bars.html

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Post  Guest Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:07 pm

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Former Rochdale council chief executive says he saw no evidence of a cover-up over sexual abuse at Knowl View school

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/former-rochdale-council-chief-executive-7047274

The council chief executive who closed Knowl View has rejected claims there was a cover-up at the school.       John Pierce , who headed up Rochdale council from 1986 to 1996, said he was never given any evidence to suggest pupils at the Bamford special school were being sexually abused.

“It could well have been that staff in my department were aware of the reports but they didn’t bring them to my attention.”

Mr Pierce, of Norden, said three reports, written in 1988, 1991 and a council-ordered probe in 1992, detailing the scale of abuse taking place at the boy’s school, didn’t find their way to his desk.

John Pierce later become chairman of the borough’s now defunct health body NHS Heywood, Middleton and Rochdale, until 2011.       Mr Pierce said he had not been approached by investigators.

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Post  Chill37 Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:17 am


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Post  cyfrifia Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:57 pm


"I think Rochdale Council should be taken to task for not investigating earlier. These claims should have been picked up and looked at a long, long time ago."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27211294

In the recent press conference, the Chief Constable explained the police inquiry into whether there should be a criminal investigation would be difficult and hampered by the passage of time, could only move within a limited framework, on corroborated evidence, and could not speak about previous police inquiries, due to the law having changed since then.

Procedural rules between Police, and Q.C. inquiries means information has to be appropriately placed. Identities of suspects unknown, their status as 'suspects' uncertain.

Could the slow, limiting, procedural log jam, as explained, be moved forward more quickly by the leadership of R.M.B.C., motivated to spur on and broaden the scope? The national reputation of Rochdale in future can either be of the town that cleaned out the mess, which allegedly extends far beyond Rochdale, or, always be a town holding it's secrets and suspicions to itself. Whether fair or not, there is a public perception of police and council both reluctant to "drag up the past", co-operating to do little.

Mr. Danczuk, quote: "Make no mistake: the identities of many of these men have long been known to the police." "I am also very worried by the narrow, local focus of the proposed investigation."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2615504/Cyril-Smiths-victims-dont-want-police-platitudes-want-accomplices-bars.html

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Post  Chill37 Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:31 pm



Lets not forget the Police themselves need investigating.


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Post  cyfrifia Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:40 pm

That's what "drag up the past" means. R.M.B.C. needs a good working relationship with G.M.P., but is a 'good working relationship' really good if it does not get the action and results needed?

A sad case all round, but can no longer be brushed under the carpet, the carpet is getting far too lumpy.

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Post  Chill37 Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:17 pm

Well I like to think we will wake up to headlines of past and present Lib Dems/Labour parties members being interviewed under caution about this

Or, the arrests of the 11 other suspects any day now.


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Post  Hinch Thu May 01, 2014 9:23 am

Don't hold your breath Chill!
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Post  Chill37 Thu May 01, 2014 7:31 pm

Hinch wrote:Don't hold your breath Chill!

I wont, cos everything is fine in Rochdale. Oh we have a nice Town Hall.

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Post  Hinch Fri May 02, 2014 6:59 am

... whose magnificent neo-Gothic facade has been only slightly marred by a couple of hastily filled in holes where a blue plaque hung until recently.
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Post  cyfrifia Fri May 02, 2014 9:37 am

With this Cyril Smith thing, the effect is as though the whole town, it's politics and it's people have been, to some extent, abused. There is plenty for the council and the police to deal with in the present, but it still matters to sort out the past.

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