Politically Correct ?

The report.
http://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/force_download.php?fp=%2Fclient_assets%2Fcp%2Fpublication%2F636%2FFINAL_REPORT_FOR_WEBSITE_Child_Sexual_Exploitation_in_Gangs_and_Groups_Inquiry_Interim_Report__21_11_12.pdf

Sue Berelowitz on today today
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9771000/9771595.stm

A report out today tells us that thousands of kids up and down the country in all communities in every walk of life have and are being abused sexually and it’s not confined to one town and one community here in Rochdale.

It’s nothing what so ever to do (political correctness) in fact the majority of abusers are white and that’s only because of numbers. They cover every community across the board.

I’m surprised at you Jeanie.

Indeed Irishman, it looks like the only cover ups here are by those that want to cover up the FACT that the majority of all sex crimes involving children are carried out by white men. The Sun, Mail and others like throwing out the PC phrase, when there is no such thing happening. Yes there Muslim gangs involved with this awful crime, this is NOTHING to do with political correctness what ever that really means.

There is no reliable definition of political correctness, partly because it changes quickly. The effect of political correctness, together with heightened awareness of insurance claims in organisations like police and councils has been to make individual officers unwilling to get involved with anything that might involve politically correctness whatever that is, was, or may be; leading to policies and actions disconnected to what used to be known as common sense.

Why has ethnicity of offender not been recorded in each case?

Hogwash, nothing to do with race, it's a crime proven to be committed across the board. Once we start limiting to one group of people many will fall through the net.

Please tell me Irishman if I am wrong or anyone else.

Could be that the Asian communities may have known it was going on but were not prepared to speak out because of fear and intimidation and the culture and shame this may bring on their communities. Also to the lack of interest from the authorities at the time due to a mixture of not being seen to be racist and looked down on the victims because of their backgrounds.

It has been said before but in the past some people in authority I thought only see some victims as from deprived backgrounds and cannot be saved but an upper and middle class attitude in some services in the past towards people from deprived backgrounds and behaviour.

Also over the years with cutbacks and lack of money no proper investigation could take place because those who did care were just overwhelmed with high case loads and taken off cases if they made too much fuss. Uncaring council and governments in charge over those years.

Mixture of everything and society should take one hard look at itself for it to happen for so long.

I don't think you are wrong about that teamplayer, you seem to understand the situation much as I do. Hopefully we will get more informed and preventative action being taken by the overworked authorities and services.

We do need to take a long hard look at what's happened and why. We simply can't rely on the authorities to look after everyone. There are still people and gangs who, perhaps after lying low for a while, will be carrying on with the same, or different methods. Even if it seems to be interfering, adults generally have got to spot the signs, report suspicions and be prepared to intervene when something looks pretty damn suspicious.

The north-west head of the Crown Prosecution Service says:

Quote "I'm aware of dozens more child victims and dozens more perpetrators in the north-west who'll be brought to justice if I have my way,"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/21/nazir-afzal-cps-child-abuse

When Nazir Afzal was appointed as the north-west head of the Crown Prosecution Service, the cases were brought against the Rochdale groomers. Mr. Afzal explains about political correctness in the Guardian today.

Nazir Afzal readily acknowledges that his cultural heritage played a part in getting nine men convicted of running a child exploitation ring in Rochdale earlier this year. He famously reopened the case against the gang of Asian men that groomed young girls for sex, shortly after his appointment as head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in the north-west of England. And he suggests that being an Asian himself made it easier to take that step.

"My Pakistani heritage helped cut through barriers within the black and minority ethnic communities," he says. "And white professionals' oversensitivity to political correctness and fear of appearing racist may well have contributed to justice being stalled."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/21/nazir-afzal-cps-child-abuse

This crime in Rochdale from what I’ve seen and read was an opportunist crime, the shop keepers and taxi drivers came into contact with young girls roaming about the town unsupervised and it went from there. They could well have been any race or community because in other places the perpetrators are white and doing the same crime on young girls that are in the same position, girls in care and those that are able to be out late with little supervision.

Once we start pinning it down to one group of people other groups will get on with it unchecked. As far as I can see any male is a potential abuser and that is a sorry state of affairs.

The problem is in our society people rightly see this crime as serious, disgusting and shameful and that’s how it gets wiped under the carpet for years and years and people don’t want to sit down and hear the young child in front of them he/she is being abused in such a way in their domain.

Seems to me many in this town are disgusted, shamed and angry because it happened in their Town rather than what’s happened to these young girls and how it will affect them for the rest of their lives. They want to limit it to one group of people so it becomes distracting, it seems a lot of white people in this town also commit such crimes on the young and vulnerable, opportunist crimes because of the childs situation in care homes.

It would also seem to me that working with children is the ideal career move for someone in this mindset and we need to start checking more effectively at who’s looking after our young in care.

You make some fair points there, Irishman, but it doesn't fit the facts to say the Rochdale grooming cases that hit the headlines were 'opportunist' crimes. These are organised gangs working to a method as in other towns.

Nazir Afzal is in a position to know what goes on within the police and other services. He confirms that, in these cases, quote "white professionals' oversensitivity to political correctness and fear of appearing racist may well have contributed to justice being stalled."

Nobody is trying to argue child sexual exploitation is an asian only crime, that would be ridiculous, but, to say "political correctness and fear of appearing racist" was not involved in allowing asian gangs to operate with some impunity for far too long simply does not fit, or face, the facts.

Yes, it shouldn't have happened that way, it's unacceptable, and perhaps for some, hard to believe, but, it did.

It wasn’t an organised gang; it was some men working in the kebab shop and taxi service passing around girls from care homes and those allowed to roam the streets late at night and centring on the shops at night which are predominantly fast food outlets and those men took advantage of these girls in that position. That is opportunist in anyone’s book.

The police in this town/country turned a blind eye to what many white men get up to with children Cyfrifia as seen from the past, everyone wanted to turn a blind eye to it as in the Savile case, you know Jimmy he and his friends were white and abused young girls in an “opportunist” way.

Males of any race, colour or creed commit these crimes, are those from this mythical PC Brigade saying it's worse that Asian men in kebab house do it?

Charly wrote:Only one of the victims in the recent Rochdale case was from a care home, yet some people will insist in repeated the 'care home' background.
If prominent (asian) members of the police and government acknowledge there is an ethnic link to these cases why are some of the PC brigade telling them they are wrong?

So are we not allowed to mention the girl from a CAREHOME because there was only one of them, im fairly sure there was more that didn't come forward?

Irishman wrote:Males of any race, colour or creed commit these crimes, are those from this mythical PC Brigade saying it's worse that Asian men in kebab house do it?

No Irishman, the opposite. The effect of political correctness in the police force and elsewhere, was to deny or overlook the fact that asian men were doing it. That's why it was allowed to go on for so long.

I wonder why the Savile crimes went on so long Cyfrifia, could it be he wasn't the right colour or no one believed the children he abused, it's all hogwash? It doesn't mater what colour these men in Rochdale were it still would've been swept under the carpet. They didn't prosecute not because the men were Asian, they just didn't believe the kids involved, simple as that and they admitted it, nothing at all to do with this mythical PC that people seem to want to believe stops everyone from getting on with life.

The Asian men involved in the Rochdale case are locked up Cyfrifia, that should tell you something about this idea we are all held back by (Political correctness) and they are locked up because they decided the children involved were actually telling the truth.

Irishman wrote:It wasn’t an organised gang

There have been a few organised grooming gangs in Rochdale, Irishman. Perhaps you've missed most of what is known and has been reported. I hope so, because if there is still a deep level of denial, it will be difficult to change things.

The ONLY thing proven to have held up investigating these crimes, in the Rochdale, Saville, Knowl View, Smith, North Wales and the other crimes against children/young adults, is the fact that the VICTIMS were NOT believed, often because of their backgrounds but always because it was their word against that of adults. In ALL of these cases it was the lack of listening/believing of the victim(s) that was the key factor in the delay,or indeed the carrying out of justice. Added to that in the Saville and Smith case, a factor was, who the abuser was. As yet there has been no proof that any crime was not investigated or delayed due to the abuser being of any particular ethnic group, or that mythical pc reasons had anything to do with delays.

IF it is ever proven that any person failed to investigate properly due to the abusers ethnic background, then that should be dealt with, but the main thing that needs to happen is children/young adults should be listened to and such alleged crimes should be investigated.

People really should stop denying that a child is likely to be abused by someone from ANY background, culture, religion etc, and that includes here in Rochdale.
Lets hope all the victims of the crimes can see justice.