Re: Stuart Hall coughs up... finally

Guest Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:29 pm

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It's doubtful he’ll end up sharing anything with prisoners such as Creegan et al

His lawyers have already put forward that he has an on-going heart condition and is sick.

In the weeks before he admitted his guilty plea, Hall transferred the ownership of his estimated £2 million Cheshire mansion into the name of his wife, telling a national newspaper that it was because he has a heart defect. "I have got an extreme heart condition and at any moment I'm liable to pop off," he was reported to have commented, when questioned about the transaction.

A short sentence spent in a set-aside, secure, discrete Hospital Unit at one of the prisons seems highly probable.

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Hinch Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:49 pm

I hope you are not suggesting that the sick are not deserving of care and compassion MJH?

If so, I would regard it as a 'Right Royal Knockout!

Guest Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:34 pm

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" Hinch said I hope you are not suggesting that the sick are not deserving of care and compassion MJH?

Certainly not. Rolling Eyes

I understand the general Health Care Teams do sterling work in our prisons and in-patient beds/separate treatment units are available in the majority of them – for vulnerable, sick prisoners.

I understand sick prisoners can even have specialist treatment arranged ‘externally,’ with expert dedicated consultants. The overall judicial system never ceases to amaze .....

It seems Stuart Hall's son, a lawyer, has made an impassioned plea for his father to retain his OBE

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Chill37 Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:37 am

Yes Mojo Hill - he is sick. Sick in the head.

I'm sorry but I don't care how old he is or how ill he says he is. This sentence of 7 1/2 months is pathetic considering all the abuse of 13 children he admitted.

Should have been locked away till he dies.

Hinch Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:43 am

Perhaps he could spend his time inside constructively organising an inter-prison 'It's A Knockout' tournament or commentating on the cons versus guards 'Mean Machine' footie match?

Hope he's had a hearty breakfast. He has a big day ahead of him. Meetings with the Governor, prison doctor etc. No doubt he'll be in the prison hospital and escape the ignominy of the 'Nonces Wing'. A quick transfer to a nice, open nick perhaps?

Likely to be further court appearances as the abused victims lodge civil actions for damages.

It's not over yet Stuart, not by a long chalk! Hope you've not got too attached to that nice, luxury gaff of yours. I predict that it will be on the market before too long.

If you are thinking of downsizing, Rochdale can offer a wide choice of vacant properties at very reasonable prices.

I was in a bar here last night in Dun Laoghaire and a guy asked me where I came from. When I said 'Rochdale', he moved along the bar with undue haste I thought after he said, "Oh, isn't that the place they're having trouble with all that kiddie-fiddling going on?"

Chill37 Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:52 am

Lets hope the appeal against this pathetic sentence of Stuart Hall lead by Labour MP Emily Thornberry is sucessfull and the sentence is increased dramatically.

Dalelad Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:32 pm

I don't think that it really matters. Inside prison or out of it, he will have to watch his back regardless and his comfortable, celebrity life is finished

Prudence Tempered Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:54 pm

The reason Stuart Hall has received such a lenient sentence is that the judge has had to rely on the sentencing policy that was laid out at the time these offences were committed and not as it is now.

Guest Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:00 pm

PT: That's only a part of it. To decide on concurrent rather than back-to-back, consecutive sentences was entirely the judge's decision / ruling.

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Prudence Tempered Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:10 pm

That was the bit I really didn't understand, and strongly suspect that if i did understand it then I'd disagree with it.

The judge talks about the 'totality' of these offences and then proceeds to sentence Hall to the length of the longest individual sentence (15 months). I can't see how the offences occurred concurrently and I very much doubt that's how the victims feel about it.

Atlas Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:18 am

What are you after - justice or revenge? The justice is that at long last he has been placed before the rest of society to answer for his crimes. For someone of his previous standing the sentence he will now serve for the rest of his life is nothing to do with prison or the longevity of a sentence in the same. If you don't understand that - you don't understand anything. Revenge is not yours or mine to take or even expect. Only justice serves our purposes and that of the innocents. Crying or Very sad

Prudence Tempered Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:16 am

I don't want revenge and it isn't even mine to take. But are you really saying that his punishment is harsher because he was famous and therefore had further to fall?

He was able to carry out these crimes partly through misusing his fame and I suspect the fact that he has been on TV thousands of times in the past 40 years or so has added to the abuse felt by his victims. He shouldn't serve longer because of his celebrity but I don't see why it should be less.

Atlas Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:21 am

Prudence Tempered wrote:I don't want revenge and it isn't even mine to take. But are you really saying that his punishment is harsher because he was famous and therefore had further to fall?

He was able to carry out these crimes partly through misusing his fame and I suspect the fact that he has been on TV thousands of times in the past 40 years or so has added to the abuse felt by his victims. He shouldn't serve longer because of his celebrity but I don't see why it should be less.

Harsher on him yes. His whole world has just collapsed. Everything he ever wanted - wasted - . Had he been a Mr Smith it is likely his crimes would have only been reported locally and very few people would ever have known about them. Instead the whole country knows. He is totally and utterly disgraced and has nothing ( not even his self respect) left. That's what I call justice with a capital 'J'. The prison sentence was immaterial.

Prudence Tempered Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:35 am

What a very strange doctrine. It's a good job that Michael Jackson was never judged on that basis. With his international fame compared to that of Stuart Hall we wouldn't have passed a custodial sentence, we'd have been paying him to abuse children.

Hinch Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:27 am

With the total lack of monitoring or even commonsense rules on access to kids within the BBC, it virtually amounts to Hall and others being paid big fat salaries to carry out abuse. As for him having further to fall, he has lived the luxury lifestyle in the leafy Wilmslow suburbs for most of his career. Not too much to expect that it's now time for him to spend a year or three contemplating his future or lack of.

After all, his privileged position actually allowed him to carry out his activities undetected and unchallenged for decades and led to him being honoured by the Queen.

His arrogant denials on TV and in the press added additional hurt to his victims and might have persuaded the judge to use what discretionary powers he had at his disposal. His crimes surely deserve more than being blackballed by his local golf club or being asked to hand back his gong?

After all, these were not all well-presented near-adult groupies enjoying a brief, backstage grope. Some of his victims were barely out of primary school.

Charly Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:01 am

I hear he transferred all his assets to his wife recently due to his 'ill health' ... nothing to do with the chance of his victims claiming compensation then?

Hinch Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:17 am

Of course not. Perish the thought.

teamplayer2 Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:22 pm

Nobody would do a thing like that. affraid

cyfrifia Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:40 pm

The criminal justice system might be more effective,with less repeat offences, if there was more emphasis on seizing ill gotten gains, which could include salaries and other financial rewards of people who, it turns out in evidence, have abused the position of trust they were paid for, and less emphasis on prison, which is expensive for the innocent taxpayer, and not always character forming for the criminal.

Atlas Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:15 am

Very good cyfrifia. Now we are just begining to make a little more sense and moving in a more positive and direct line towards 'justice' instead of 'revenge'. I like your motivations a little better now. Smile

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