Re: Rochdale In The News Again

UP THE DALE Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:03 pm

No doubt in some cases that is the case, also though prosecutors are very clever and sometimes manage to persuade juries to find innocent people, guilty.

I suppose though sometimes it might be an advantage for the accused to be known, IF it would help in the bringing of more evidence and or witnesses, or victims, like in the case of Jimmy Saville.

In the case I am talking about, the right verdict was achieved, as at the times the crime happened, they could not possibly have done it.

UP THE DALE Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:08 pm

It's a difficult balance, between the rights of potentially innocent people, and potential victims. No doubt if named, there would be more chance of the accused being found guilty than if unnamed, if ever such a law came in.

cyfrifia Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:00 am

Rochdale in the news again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228578/Retired-teacher-Patrick-Gallagher-64-dies-heart-attack-confronting-noisy-neighbours.html

Poppyanna555 Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:20 pm

Rochdale featured again in a negative way on Granada Reports this evening. This time it was the poor condition of our children's teeth, one of the teachers made the comment that many of the pupils didn't appear to have a dentist.

Filming obviously took place at Belfield Primary School, I only know because the parent interviewed is one of my neighbours.

Charly Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:25 pm

Poppyanna555 wrote: many of the pupils didn't appear to have a dentist.

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Many of the dentists dont take NHS patients now, and those that do are usually full

Guest Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:00 pm

The project is called ‘Smile Time’ and Rochdale was chosen because it has one of the worst rates of tooth decay among children in Britain. School teachers will supervise children aged 5 to 7 brushing their own teeth once during the school day, with tooth brushes and tooth paste provided in the schools.

Sugary foods and lack of brushing at home are to blame according to oral health specialists.
Where do the parents' roles fit into all of this ?

cyfrifia Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 pm

Parents should not encourage their children to take unauthorised time off from their studies.

Rochdale Sixth Form College.

Quote: "Routine medical and dental appointments are not permitted reasons to be absent and will be recorded as unauthorised."

http://www.rochdalesfc.ac.uk/parents/faqs/ albino

Charly Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:50 pm

I cant see hospitals, doctors and dentists being available for every schoolchild or student outside of school/college hours.
Are they saying their time is more valuable than doctors ect?

Poppyanna555 Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:25 am

Doctors/Dental appointments are even seen as a valid reason to take time off from the workplace in most instances. I am guessing that the logic behind the schools objections is because most of them close by 3:00pm - plenty of time to make an appointment after school Question

Atlas Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:03 am

In my day 'ALL' schools received regular dental visits. We hated it. Called them butchers. But it was considered a vital health check under the new NHS. Methods of treatment have changed (thank God) since then. I applaud any effort to undertake both eye and teeth checks - and to hell with what teachers think. (Them as can do - Them as can't teach). So very true in many cases.

UP THE DALE Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:20 am

Schools and colleges including Rochdale's encourage parents/guardians to schedule appointments for their children for ROUTINE dentist, doctors etc for outside school time, and rightly so. If it's an emergency then that's different.

Chill37 Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:30 am

Atlas wrote:In my day 'ALL' schools received regular dental visits. We hated it. Called them butchers. But it was considered a vital health check under the new NHS. Methods of treatment have changed (thank God) since then. I applaud any effort to undertake both eye and teeth checks - and to hell with what teachers think. (Them as can do - Them as can't teach). So very true in many cases.

Same with 'Nitty Nora' visits.

Charly Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:35 am

UP THE DALE wrote:Schools and colleges including Rochdale's encourage parents/guardians to schedule appointments for their children for ROUTINE dentist, doctors etc for outside school time, and rightly so. If it's an emergency then that's different.

I take my grandsons to the dentist appointments due to their mum being on shifts, have you tried getting appointments out of school time?
I have, its not as easy as it sounds, dentists work through the daytime, I dont think many of them would like to work until late evening to accommodate all the workers and schoolchildren after their work/school hours. I tend to take what is offered and if they have to come out of school 10 minutes early then thats it

Chill37 Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:48 am

Im unaware of any dentists that open before school starts UTD? Say at 8.00am. Unless you can advise us of one?

cyfrifia Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:50 am

Students at Rochdale sixth form college are under pressure to have an excellent attendance record. A good thing, up to a point.

Quote:"Excellent attendance is one of the key factors to your success at the College. It is your responsibility to have a high attendance rate and prompt start to all your classes - this is a top priority. Remember, your attendance is always required on references for universities and employers!"

http://www.rochdalesfc.ac.uk/parents/faqs/

Something the brighter students will learn, is to ignore that pressure and to prioritise getting good regular dental care, if at all possible.

Dalelad Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:58 am

We've always booked an appointment for all 5 of us to be seen around 6 - 7pm on a weeknight. Never been a problem at all. Perhaps we're just lucky with our choice of dentist?

UP THE DALE Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:49 pm

Charly wrote:
UP THE DALE wrote:Schools and colleges including Rochdale's encourage parents/guardians to schedule appointments for their children for ROUTINE dentist, doctors etc for outside school time, and rightly so. If it's an emergency then that's different.

I take my grandsons to the dentist appointments due to their mum being on shifts, have you tried getting appointments out of school time?
I have, its not as easy as it sounds, dentists work through the daytime, I dont think many of them would like to work until late evening to accommodate all the workers and schoolchildren after their work/school hours. I tend to take what is offered and if they have to come out of school 10 minutes early then thats it

We used to manage it when we had 4 children in school, sometimes on a Saturday in the case of the dentist, sometimes between 3-30 and 5 pm, sometimes holidays. Sometimes it might be a few weeks time, but for ROUTINE appointments what's the problem with that? My wife would often arrange her appointment for a Saturday and arrange the children's appointment at the same time, and so we would have a lovely visit out to the dentist. It's called planning, which us parents have to get used to. I am thankful in some ways that no longer we have to do all of that. Like when we used to have to arrange baby sitters etc.

Emergency dental appointments don't tend to happen much, if they do then the schools have no problem. With Doctors it was a case of arranging appointments as and when required. Yes there were a a couple of times when one of our children were ill and we had to take them to the doctors, but usually they would be off school too ill to be in any way.

UP THE DALE Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:51 pm

Chill37 wrote:Im unaware of any dentists that open before school starts UTD? Say at 8.00am. Unless you can advise us of one?

Neither am I, but have never needed to use a dentist at that time.

UP THE DALE Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:01 pm

cyfrifia wrote:Students at Rochdale sixth form college are under pressure to have an excellent attendance record. A good thing, up to a point.

Quote:"Excellent attendance is one of the key factors to your success at the College. It is your responsibility to have a high attendance rate and prompt start to all your classes - this is a top priority. Remember, your attendance is always required on references for universities and employers!"

http://www.rochdalesfc.ac.uk/parents/faqs/

Something the brighter students will learn, is to ignore that pressure and to prioritise getting good regular dental care, if at all possible.

Quite right too that they are encouraged to have an excellent attendance record, and punctuality. Part of education is to get used to time keeping and punctuality and attendance. Sixth form/college students need to be in lectures/class as often as possible otherwise they could easily find it hard to fall behind, especially at "A" level standard.

There is NO problem for a Rochdale sixth form college student to obtain an appointment for the dentist or doctor outside their lecture/class time. My daughter just spent two years there and not once did she have to take time off for the dentist or doctor. Students don't attend a full 5 days.

UP THE DALE Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:06 pm

Dalelad wrote:We've always booked an appointment for all 5 of us to be seen around 6 - 7pm on a weeknight. Never been a problem at all. Perhaps we're just lucky with our choice of dentist?

Quite right, Dalelad. I understand most if not all dentists offer at least one late evening and or Saturday morning surgery, otherwise there are holidays.

It's all about planning. My wife and high were both working when we had 4 children in school, so we planned things well, like dentists etc. Some expect to be able to get appointments the next day, you can't, sometimes to get 5 appointments we would wait a couple of months, but the dentist knew our situation as well.

Charly Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:54 pm

On attendance at college, shouldn't the same apply to tutors turning up?
My daughter travels from Failsworth to Middleton college taking her baby to nursery on the way and more than a few times has arrived at college only to find the tutor hasn't turned up (and thats just from this September!)
This costs her both in child care and travelling costs.
The same happened when my other daughter was there a few years ago.
There's a University in Manchester where the students are given a number to text if their tutors/lecturers dont turn up, so attendance is not always just down to the students.

UP THE DALE Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:21 pm

Totally agree, but MAYBE they are attending to other college business. College lecturers are covered by their terms and conditions like any other worker, and if they are late or off work will be dealt with according to them, like other workers. If students are there when they should be then they are doing all they can.

Charly Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:14 pm

UP THE DALE wrote:Totally agree, but MAYBE they are attending to other college business. .

Oh right, thats ok then I suppose (not) Mad

...but isnt their first responsibility to the students who have turned up for the class?

Dalelad Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:37 pm

Unlike the pupils, it's not their education that will suffer if they don't turn up. Rules are needed or else before long pupils will be having a day off at the drop of a hat. Every now and again, there may be some part of the rules that seem a bit petty, but taken overall, they are there for a good reason.

UP THE DALE Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:05 pm

Charly wrote:
UP THE DALE wrote:Totally agree, but MAYBE they are attending to other college business. .

Oh right, thats ok then I suppose (not) ...but isnt their first responsibility to the students who have turned up for the class?

Their first responsibility SHOULD be to their students, BUT in actual fact they are responsible to their boss.

IF a teacher, tutor or lecturer are not in place to do their lesson/lecture, their bosses will deal with it as per their terms and conditions, IF they are not fulfilling their role as per their job description . Just because they are not in class does not mean they are not carrying out their duties, they do have other duties to do with their employment that they have to do, which will include dealing with other matters to do with students, which mean they might not always be in class if something crops up. It is the duty of the establishment to make sure that lectures/classes are covered by a tutor/teacher.

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