Re: Christmas is coming ... for UKIP?

Atlas Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:25 am

I think it's pretty self-explanatory. Hinch is certainly not enamored by the present shenanigans of the Liberals and their tendency to go with the flow simply to hold up an unpopular government and stay in office. Obviously things have gone too far for them to expect holding office 'ever' again - but if it was me I would throw myself back on the vast majority of the fair-minded public who have the nounce to understand and see the folly of my actions and plumb for the moral and fair high ground and let the Tories sink or swim. Otherwise - it's curtains for the party for aeon's to come. Great pity. Could have been such a good government had they had much more clout on their own.

Prudence Tempered Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:20 am

Atlas wrote:I think it's pretty self-explanatory. Hinch is certainly not enamored by the present shenanigans of the Liberals and their tendency to go with the flow simply to hold up an unpopular government and stay in office. Obviously things have gone too far for them to expect holding office 'ever' again - but if it was me I would throw myself back on the vast majority of the fair-minded public who have the nounce to understand and see the folly of my actions and plumb for the moral and fair high ground and let the Tories sink or swim. Otherwise - it's curtains for the party for aeon's to come. Great pity. Could have been such a good government had they had much more clout on their own.

Thanks for the explanation, Atlas. I'd read it as a typically nasty personal attack on unnamed individuals. I suppose it must have lost something in the translation.

Hinch Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:51 am

[size=18]Nasty personal attack on unnamed individuals? Now which particular labyrinth of your tortured mind did you draw that gem from.

I refer to the whole sell-out parliamentary party.

I thought that the reference to green leather sofas might have given the game away but its obviously too cryptic for you.[\size]

Prudence Tempered Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:54 am

Hinch wrote:[size=18]Nasty personal attack on unnamed individuals? Now which particular labyrinth of your tortured mind did you draw that gem from.

"the slugs defected to the Lib Dems"

Atlas Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:06 am

Very early on I was taught one thing regarding politics and business. NEVER LET IT GET PERSONAL. The minute you do that Pru you let the b****** off the hook and loose the thrust and potential of your argument. It becomes a slanging match which does neither side any good whilst the 'real' bandits slink off sniggering and continue to do their dirty deeds.

Steer clear of what you might 'think' is a personal slant and concentrate on the subject matter to hand.

You will see from my posts my regular references to 'my gang, your gang'. Totally pointless and a waste of good writing time. Merry Xmas. Wink

Hinch Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:49 am

I fully uphold Prudence Tempered's personal right to take all comments, no matter how generalist they are, personally.

I think it is every Englishman's beholden, God-given right to take offence at anything he so chooses.

Prudence Tempered Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:58 am

Hinch wrote:I fully uphold Prudence Tempered's personal right to take all comments, no matter how generalist they are, personally.

I think it is every Englishman's beholden, God-given right to take offence at anything he so chooses.

I haven't taken any of your remarks personally, Hinch, but thanks for your blessing if I ever do take offence. I can't tell you how much that means to me. I really can't.

It's actually the 'generalist' nature of the partisan stuff you spout that I take offence at on behalf of others.

Hinch Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:23 pm

I was never with the partisans PT. All that living in caves and forced marches through the mountains was far too strenuous.

I think that all three main parties are crap to be honest but the Lib Dems perhaps more so.

Mainstream politics in Britain is a miserable failure but I wasted 30-odd years sticking with it. Obviously 80% of the nation agree with me judging by the turnout figures in recent election. (Or perhaps more accurately, the lack of turnout.)

Prudence Tempered Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:42 pm

The opposite of mainstream politics would appear to be the extremists, the nutters and the personality cults - although those are not mutually exclusive. Whatever you think of the failure of the mainstream I dread to think what would be in store for us if the loonies took over.

Your ultra-partisan view of the Lib Dems appears to be governed by the fact that they are sharing power with the people you claim to despise in order to sort out the mess left by the family you were once a member of.

What would the good Dr Freud make of that?

Hinch Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:22 pm

My view of the Lib Dems is far from being ultra-partisan. They are despised far more by various members of their own coalition partners.

Freud would probably say, "Ah, Hinch woke up and smelled our beautiful Viennese coffee at last."

I never left Labour. It left me.

Prudence Tempered Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:05 pm

Hinch wrote:I never left Labour. It left me.

Yet you're now an activist for the Monster Raving Loony Party. Does this mean that Labour used to have loony policies but have now changed tack?

Atlas Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:25 am

No Prudence Tempered. I could take a 'stab' at what he alludes to though -.

Labour - socialist. Working man's political party with a view to fairness and justice for all the people regardless of creed, colour, religion or 'class' (and I use the latter in the knowledge that 'class' did exist 'in spades' at the time it was originally formed.) The 'party' he KNEW no longer exists. It has been tempered (a word no doubt dear to your heart) over the last few decades and become NEW LABOUR. WOWEE - an even better product -. Alas - No. Not in his eyes. Not in a great many eyes throughout the older end, myself included. Not that, ( he hastens to add) I was ever a great believer in the Labour Party or its somewhat unrealistic, over confident aims but I think I know where he is coming from.
So what to do?
Well throwing the baby out with the bath water won't change anything nor will going off voting for obscure, worthless pansy-pickers or sange-suckers.
He is doing something that will make changes and do a great deal of good providing he sticks with it and pushes it to the furthest extent of his will power and that's - writing about what he considers to be wrong and exhorting others to make more effort to complain, march and generally upset those that 'think' the rest of us are not bothered. Don't leave the b******* alone. Keep pushing - regardless of the politics. The pen is mightier than the sword - and always will be.

Hinch Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:30 am

Got it in a nutshell Atlas. PT is just after one of his usual and very pointless online spats that do not advance the subject matter by as much as a gnat's hair-breadth.

Thanks to my current day-job, I have seen local politics up close and dirty. The cuts to homelessness provision was a defining moment. Not just I felt this way either. I see no need to spend the years that remain to me helping to prop up a status quo that has long passed its sell-by date.

Am far happier shining my torch into murky corners and occasionally having a bit of fun doing it. The Loonies may well be a bunch of strange, fun-loving individuals but they certainly have no less credibility than other minority parties like the Lib Dems whose bird has flown and whose goose is well and truly stuffed and cooked.

Mainstream politics is devoid of any real ideology and is reduced to two and a half bald men fighting over a toothless comb.

Prudence Tempered Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:57 am

That's exactly where my problem lies, Hinch. All your protestations about being even-handed and independent and it turns out that you are nothing of the sort. You've every right to be partisan and I would even defend your right to be as with your right to join the pre-pubescent "look at me, aren't I funny" loony party of choice - there are several ever since the splits over personality issues.

If it is your view then you've every right to regard Lib Dems (or whoever) as the "fag end" or as "slugs" but please don't claim to be fair and balanced.

Old Regulator Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:44 am

Well said Ray (Atlas)and very well put.

Is it just me but I keep getting Home Thoughts when I read PT’s views. If it is you John seasons greetings. Salty

Hinch Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:38 pm

I don't claim to be either fair or balanced in my personal views although I do try to be in my reportage.

My most severe criticism is for the Labour Party at both local and national level as it is they who have caused me most personal disappointment.

As to your personal 'pre-pubescent', "Aren't I funny" remarks about me. You are entitled to your opinions. If that is the sport you seek to indulge yourself in, why not start a 'Hinch is a Complete Tosser' thread? It seems to be your direction of travel and I might even join in with a bit of hinch-baiting if you so desire.

Never an easy thing to step off a road that you have travelled for most of your life. Far easier, I suppose to carry on with head down, ignoring the patently obvious and mumbling 'my party right or wrong'. So many continue to do that and stay within their comfort zone.

As for historical splits in the Loony Party, I am sure there have been but I don't feel that you should be too bothered by them. 'Sutch is Life' document's most of them. Nature of politics I guess.

I am sorry that my change of direction appears to cause you almost as much personal anguish as my former party loyalty but you'll get over it.

It matters not a jot what Hinch thinks on any issue whatsoever; apart from to Hinch himself and there is no point in tossing any further pearls before swine by seeking to account or explain so sod off and find someone else to bait.

I think you must be right Old Regulator. Well spotted.

Prudence Tempered Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:25 pm

Your change of direction causes me about as much anguish as the plotlines of TOWIE - which I have never seen. And I welcome your conversion to the cause of the elimination of baiting - while noting that this didn't come about while you were dishing it out. I don't object to your right to do that but spare me the complaints when others do or the claims that you are fair and balanced (to nick a quote from Fox News).

The 'pre-pubescent' and 'aren't I funny' remarks were not meant personally but against your political party of choice - descriptions which they have used about themselves.

Atlas Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:39 am

If what has been alluded to is true Prudence Tempered - the HT thing - then have at least the courage to affirm truthfully if such be the case and stop hiding behind your skirt tails. Smacks of a scoundrels refuge tack to me Suspect

As for the rest - A Happy Christmas and keep smiling - regardless Wink

johnb Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:42 am

Okay, is 'Prudence' Homethoughts or Heymaker.

I recognise the obnoxious style but can't quite attribute it.

I'd say Homethoughts on balance...

past it Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:19 pm

No one else can adhere with such slavish defence to the Lib Dems than HT.

Prudence Tempered Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:05 pm

I'm quite happy to say who I am, in fact my pen name came about quite by accident. But let's have the same rule for all, Hinch. If you want your critics to name themselves then have the decency to ask the same of people who don't take you on.

johnb Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:32 am

I am still who I always was - even kept the same username. Can't be bothered posting a detailed biog - but you know who I am and from whence I come.

Atlas Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:07 am

Prudence Tempered wrote:I'm quite happy to say who I am, in fact my pen name came about quite by accident. But let's have the same rule for all, Hinch. If you want your critics to name themselves then have the decency to ask the same of people who don't take you on.

That PT is an evasion. A typical refuge type answer of someone used to evading a direct answer to a direct question or a reasonable request of an explanation. Go down 10 points and consider yourself a bit of a scoundrel. Not impressed. Suspect

Hinch Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:50 am

Prudence Tempered wrote:I'm quite happy to say who I am, in fact my pen name came about quite by accident. But let's have the same rule for all, Hinch. If you want your critics to name themselves then have the decency to ask the same of people who don't take you on.

Since when have I asked anyone to name themselves? I don't give a toss whether they do or they don't. Why the hell are you trying to turn this into a thread about me?

You seem to be trying to create an argument just for the sake of it.

johnb Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:30 am

Liberals were once considered honourable - in days of old when knights were bold. Not now:

They appear to alternate between playing the man, not the ball and loudly calling out everyone else's failure to hide their own shortcomings.

A cross between the class bully and the class snitch.

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