Re: Sex grooming: 9 more charged

Atlas Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:28 am

Well said Spartacus. Very intuitive. Wink

cyfrifia Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:03 am

It must be difficult for the police to tell the truth in a report, if the truth is, that they supported the official line at the time, that people must suffer the consequences of mass immigration and 'cultural differences' without complaint or defence.

When those consequences, in terms of people traffiking and organised crime networks, including the grooming industry became too high profile, attitudes changed, and now they treat these crimes rather differently.

That must be a bit difficult to explain in an acceptable sort of way. Another re-write.

Guest Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:36 pm

cyfrifia wrote:It must be difficult for the police to tell the truth in a report, if the truth is, that they supported the official line at the time, that people must suffer the consequences of mass immigration and 'cultural differences' without complaint or defence.

The official line at the time - what T R I P E

Lancashire police is one of the leading forces in the country for its approaches to tackling child sexual exploitation. As just one example, Blackburn with Darwen set up its pioneering Engage Team in 2006, which was extended to cover Hyndburn and Ribble Valley, leading to the creation of similar Freedom Teams in Burnley, Pendle and Rossendale. More than 230 men suspected of serious child sex abuse have been investigated by their detectives under ‘Operation Freedom’ since that Force Operation began in 2008...

Rochdale Borough Safeguarding Children Board’s 2012 review reported ‘Activity to disrupt alleged offenders was developing on the ground, but this was not always followed through at a more senior level. The early investigations of crimes were flawed.’ Who didn’t do what, when and why, along with the overarching responsibilities of police supervision, appear far more relevant in perspective than your own omnipotent “bogeyman” of mass immigration

The IPCC determines whether an investigation has been thorough and has examined all the matters set down in the terms of reference. The first report by the GMP was rejected as being insufficiently in-depth.
The rewritten and again-rejected second report also failed to cover key areas, according to the IPCC

Sadly, memories and focus can become well-diverted during years’ of delayed reporting, added to which constables and their leaders ‘move round’ within Force(s), as well as retire.

But hey, the new fashion statement of system failure, rather than people malfunction, is already, officially, replacing ‘ culpability,’ and changing some fixations.

cyfrifia Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:07 am

Grooming of children, especially those in care, by asian gangs goes back well before the year 2000. That all the major cases brought to court are gangs of immigrants, either new or here for some time, does point to poorly managed immigration as central cause.

The official line of 'cultural sensitivity' delayed investigation far too long. It took the intervention of Public Prosecutor Nazir Afzal to break through that established culture of denial.

There are many problems, financial collapse, poisonous wars, huge cyclones, mass migration, energy prices, drug cartels, droughts, famines, unemployment and inequality, we may not choose to think about them, or have drastically different opinions about them and their causes, but all are real, none are imaginary "bogeymen".

On grooming, your emphasis on failure of individuals is just a different focus, it's the same problem, the failure of various authorities to investigate and report as they should is a damaging 'system failure' and yes, needs dealing with properly at all levels.

Guest Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:43 pm

I don't recall anyone suggesting that sexual grooming of children didn't take place before 2000 cyfrifia; one British English definition of bogeyman is something that (some) people believe is bad and causes problems.

In June this year, MP’s on the Home Affairs Select Committee concluded and 'condemned the “inexcusable” postcode lottery that means offenders are more likely to escape justice in certain regions.' With further comment: -

‘’ The quality of the response to the sexual grooming / abuse depends on where you live and that is inexcusable.”

Noting that 'present tense' verbs are used

cyfrifia Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:57 pm

Yes, as well as the formal procedures, which still need a lot of change and reform, attitudes towards what is acceptable are, (hopefully) changing.

The cultural sensitivity that protected grooming gangs, even gave them some measure of protection by the police, who were more keen to prosecute for damage to a takeaway counter by a victim than to help the victim, that attitude gave grooming gangs a sense of invulnerability. It always was wrong, hopefully people have woken up a bit from that.

The political correctness demanded of people working within the authorities, who consequently repulsed complaints and information, afraid of being labelled racist, while young girls were being systematically groomed, threatened, drugged, beaten, raped, sold and so on, all that was the road to hell.

Have to hope now that if the public see typical grooming type activity going on, they will see and understand it for what it is.

cyfrifia Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:03 am

R.M.B.C. appear to be making faltering steps towards doing something practical to control child sexual exploitation within the town, with some attention being paid to taxi firms,

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/84152/scores-on-the-doors-set-to-drive-up-standards-in-taxi-trade

and involving the football team in publicity.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/rochdale-fc-join-fight-against-6356738

Rather amateurish and unconvincing as yet, but shows a move of thinking in the right direction, needs plenty more energy, determination and expertise behind it.

Guest Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:09 pm

Mojo Hill wrote:
1-yr later, these 9 have become 5 'found guilty,' following two trials

08 Nov 2013:- Police apologise for failing groomed Rochdale girl, 15

Police have apologised to an underage sex abuse victim in Rochdale for failings in their initial probe into the men who exploited her. It was reported that "Lessons have been learnt”

Many of her abusers plied the troubled 15-year-old with vodka and cannabis before committing their offences, which took place in 2008 and 2009, Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court heard.

The victim, now aged 20, gave evidence against the defendants in two trials. Reporting restrictions were lifted on both proceedings by Judge Jonathan Foster QC at yesterday's conclusion of the second trial.

Five men will be sentenced on December 20. They were all bailed, but told to expect custodial sentences.

The girl in these court proceedings had no known links with any of the 9 defendants who were jailed at Liverpool Crown Court in May 2012.

: - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-24871080

The timescale of years, as reported in various media, over which this girl has been giving her statements to the authorities .... catastrophic.

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‘ Five men who sexually exploited a 15-year-old girl in Rochdale, have today been jailed for a total of 26-and-a-half years.

Congolese refugee Freddie Kendakumana, 27, of Illminster, Rochdale, was sentenced to eight-and-a-half years for rape and sexual activity with a child.

Mohammed Rafiq Abubaker, 32, of Freehold, Rochdale was jailed for two-and-a-half years, whilst takeaway worker Roheez Khan, 27, of Ashfield Road, Rochdale, was sentenced to six-and-a-half years for sexual activity with a child and witness intimidation.

A fourth man, Chola Chansa, 33, of Illminster, Rochdale, was jailed for five years for sexual activity with a child.

Taxi driver Abdul Huk, 37, of Ouldfield Close, Rochdale, was sentenced to four years for sexual activity with a child. ’

Hinch Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:34 pm

Lessons will be learned, I'm sure MJ.

Guest Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:02 pm

Hinch wrote:Lessons will be learned, I'm sure MJ.

Hinch: Your confidence in this mantra is quite astounding ! .

Five men jailed for rape of 15-year-old girl - Rochdale Online

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/84449/five-men-jailed-for-rape-of-15yearold-girl

This borough is blighted and shamed by the practices / behaviour of the public services we've employed for 'safeguarding' children

cyfrifia Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:53 pm

A relevant legal detail about the grooming of children in the news.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/84745/closure-order-bid-to-protect-youngsters-from-sex-grooming

At the moment, police do not have powers to even temporarily close premises where they have reason to suspect grooming is taking place. They can only close those premises if there are complaints of anti-social behavior there.

New powers are only at debate stage, it may be quite some time before they might come into force.

Meantime, a complaint of anti-social behavior at such premises will help the police to act.

Hinch Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:25 pm

More sordid goings-on. In Peterborough this time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-25679982

cyfrifia Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:15 pm

Yes, and involving a takeaway.

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/local/peterborough-takeaway-was-selling-dangerous-and-contaminated-food-1-5762369
Why do people use places like that? Filthy. Better to put something in the microwave.

Poppyanna555 Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:20 pm

Scary, and some Roma seem to have a similar view on women whereby they believe that underage girls are 'fair game' as they are allowed to have girls whom we deem as (vulnerable) minors in their own country....frightening times!

And....I NEVER partake of takeaway food, A: I can't afford to and B: I would prefer to know that what I am eating has been prepared in a clean environment and NO, I rarely eat out at all, for the same reasons, but when I do, it is usually for a special occasion and I am very choosy about where I eat.

cyfrifia Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:28 pm

As usual with grooming, the vulnerable are targeted, very young. Sophisticated and established methods are used. Violence and threats of violence against victims and their families, sadistic, relentless and merciless physical and mental cruelty.

Grooming is too mild a word, you can see why what they call 'grooming' has to be stopped by all means.

cyfrifia Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:21 am

At the moment, police do not have powers to even temporarily close premises where they have reason to suspect grooming is taking place behind closed doors. They can only close those premises if there are complaints of anti-social behavior there.

A step closer.
http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/84831/closure-order-power-moves-step-closer

But still looks like very weak powers, quote: "This could include takeaways, corner shops or other premises where grooming has been known to take place."

Where there is good reason to suspect grooming is taking place behind closed doors, for instance in an upstairs room above a takeaway, the police should have powers to enter at any time and to close down the premises as necessary, even if grooming has not been known to take place there previously.

cyfrifia Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:55 pm

Latest news on the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill 2013-14.

The Bill is now in ping pong. During ping pong the Bill travels back and forth between the two Houses, until both Houses agree on the text of the Bill.

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/antisocialbehaviourcrimeandpolicingbill.html
pingpong

Hinch Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:39 pm

I see the sentences are in from Peterborough. Men and youths of various nationalities go to jail for up to 20 years on a range of grooming and heinous child rape charges.

The cost for interpreters alone cost 40,000 quid. Despite living here for five years, none of the accused could speak English, a fact that drew criticism from m'lud.

They called themselves 'The Mally Gang'.

cyfrifia Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:58 pm

There is mention of the possibility some of them may be deported at the end of their sentences. It seems unlikely.

In the case of another child sex groomer from Peterborough, Mahdi Mohammed, the court was told he would be deported, but he never was. According to his defence lawyer “ Many people came to his home with weapons in a state of high agitation. ”

It would save a lot of grief if people were deported when they should be.

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/local/appalling-failed-asylum-seeker-jailed-for-child-sex-assaults-1-4877323

Poppyanna555 Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:45 pm

Forty thousand quid for interpreters and this is only the tip of the iceberg, what a disgrace!

cyfrifia Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:20 am

A step closer to tackling grooming with new powers for police to temporarily close premises such as takeaways and shops where grooming has been known to take place.

http://rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/85949/new-power-signals-victory-in-bid-to-protect-children-from-sexual-exploitation

The Police will need some new sticky tape to go on the windows of premises closed for this reason.

- PREMISES CLOSED DUE TO GROOMING OF CHILDREN FOR SEXUAL EXPLOITATION -

Hinch Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:10 pm

Greater Manchester Police have received more than 2,000 tip-offs about child grooming merely in the 10 months up to January 2014, new figures reveal – a third of them in Rochdale.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchester-police-more-2

Chill37 Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:25 pm

Utterly disgusting.

cyfrifia Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:22 pm

That number of tip-offs and concerns given to the police about possible or probable grooming activity, many of which will be useful, http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/greater-manchester-police-more-2000-6839238 shows people have woken up more to what goes on. Groomers used to be able to operate 'in plain sight'. The more such activities are observed, understood for what they are, and reported, the more chance they will be stopped.

Hinch Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:59 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-26607797

This is almost three times the figure for the whole of Manchester. I'd love to know how many arrests and charges this resulted in. As we know, GMP in Rochdale are very good at receiving complaints but fail to act on them. Of course, that was in the bad old days before we were assured that 'lessons will be learned'.