Anti-social Rochdale

I do own 2 cats John but one doesn't venture that many doors away, on the other hand, my other one (a black tomcat) may well sniff them out (which I wouldn't wish on the poor chickens at all). I just wish the owner had put some thought into his new venture....there are several cats in this area and these hens just appear to be plonked in his garden with no coop for shelter (although they do have the nice old red settee)

Poppyanna555 wrote: ----- these hens just appear to be plonked in his garden with no coop for shelter (although they do have the nice old red settee)

Poppyanna: It reads like you've got Fowl Broiler problems in the making.

There could also be animal welfare and a range of potential disease issues.

Fowl Broiler problems....eek MJH...do enlighten me?!

Yes, I doubt they are all being kept just for their eggs, I think they will enter the pot at some stage, but whose pot I wonder? RMBC told us that the owners are quite entitled to slaughter them as long as they eat them and they are not entering the food chain but, how do they know they are not because, at the moment, all RMBC are doing is sitting on their laurels, throwing their hands up in the hair and chanting "there is nothing we can do"!

The welfare of these particular hens near me is questionable for starters.

There is nothing RMBC can do, at the moment, as they lack the skills and motivation, but with a bit of training, using motivational video games, it could be a very different story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLCL4EHqzI

Poppyanna555 wrote:Fowl Broiler problems....eek MJH...do enlighten me?!

Poppyanna: Fowl Broilers: -


Small comfort, but at least you haven’t got a neighbouring cockerel crowing in the 5.00 am sunrises Y E T ?

Poppyanna555 wrote:We now have a Cockerel and some more chickens.....

There you go MoJo...a cockerel is now in residence

Charly wrote:

Poppyanna555 wrote:We now have a Cockerel and some more chickens.....

There you go MoJo...a cockerel is now in residence

Oops, I didn't read the previous page additions! Maybe the cockerel will be "housed" overnight if the owner is living there and gets disturbed. Even then, cockerels often crow throughout the day and well into the evening.

Mojo Hill wrote: At the end of December 2012, Rochdale reported the percentage of people who agreed that the Police and Council are dealing with the anti-social behaviour and crime issues that matter to people in their local area, to be 82.2%.
This was a 9.2% improvement on the figure for the previous year, which was 73.0%.
Rochdale is currently the best performing borough in Greater Manchester on this indicator

Is the anti-social situation in Rochdale really much improved? Recent complaints seem to be about chickens.

One of the neighbours was kept awake the night before last and I can only assume, so was the owner!, the cockerel hasn't been heard since so I am thinking he may have been given away or sent back to wherever he came from, here's hoping .....fingers crossed.

MJH, do you have a crystal ball by any chance?

Cyfrifia, I do believe that the Police have stepped up their game against anti-social behaviour yes, certainly in my area where we have recently had a lot of help from the Police and Council and other agencies. They have recently raided a property for drugs but only found a small amount (for personal use) but nevertheless, this guy has been done for 'possession' so at least he is aware that he is 'in their sights'.

Last week, they raided a local property and found 9 men living in a 2 bedroom terraced house, 4 of them were 'illegals' and UK Border Agency has been informed and the Landlord of the property is to be interviewed.

We have had a heavy Police presence in the area including mounted Police and regular stop checks.

A litter clean has been undertaken and leaflet drops have taken place to households regarding bin collections, also a member from the Fire Service has visited a local Prayer House (Arabic Language School) with Ghulam Shazad and Councillor Daalat Ali and we are to have a BIG CLEAN UP organised by them.

The CCTV camera we have had in place for 8 months was found to be faulty and so a cherry picker was organised for last Friday and the camera is now back in operation.

Of course, non of this would have happened but for the actions of a fed up neighbour on our street who approached our local MP Simon Danczuk, but at least it has raised awareness and set the ball rolling.

Charly posted: Well, s/he's got black cats and sweeping brooms that look pretty strange!


Charly, for goodness sake.....now you have completely blown my cover!

Poppyanna555 wrote:Cyfrifia, I do believe that the Police have stepped up their game against anti-social behaviour yes, certainly in my area where we have recently had a lot of help from the Police and Council and other agencies.

Pleased to hear that Poppy, police presence and some activity by the 'authorities' does help keep a lid on things.

Poppyanna555 wrote:
----- Last week, they raided a local property and found 9 men living in a 2 bedroom terraced house, 4 of them were 'illegals' and UK Border Agency has been informed and the Landlord of the property is to be interviewed.

A litter clean has been undertaken and leaflet drops have taken place to households regarding bin collections,

With the other previous crimes reported in your area, patrolling horses and a well-fowled neighbourhood, " It's Good ," .. that you can stay positive. ---- Your cats and brooms have failed miserably though Poppyanna ! WHEN did the area litter clean take place ?


Walking up Belfield Road from the Croft Shifa Health Centre this afternoon was such a depressing experience. The detritus .. filthy rubbish and fly tipping behind the first row of houses on the right was shocking - discarded bed mattresses, loads of bags of waste, food remains, loose mounds of domestic debris, etcetera.


I can only offer commiserations. Clearly some residents don't even give a fig about other people, or the shared environment

I know

Why, has this particular neighbourhood deteriorated badly? There must be many similar neighbourhoods with similar circumstances?

There are many reasons Cyfrifia including ignorance, apathy, rogue and uneducated families and private housing stock which appears often to be snapped up by dubious landlords who are only ' in it for the money,' with no interest in maintaining their properties; and yes, an influx of Asians, many of whom seem to be prominent on the list of being our local drug dealers and many others who certainly need educating on how to dispose of their rubbish!

I am all for integration 50/50 but, what RMBC has done is to flood the area with Asian families, pushing the indigenous population out and creating ghettos.

Belfield is mirroring Deeplish at the moment.... at a fast rate!

All races have a propensity to 'flock' together both from a safety angle and social interaction - ref - Little England enclaves in Spain and other places -. To disperse by 'order' is against that individuals human right and produces a diaspora whereupon those individuals are more easily prayed upon - ref - Jews throughout Europe in previous centuries. The correct way would have been to 'order' schooling from an early age to have been 'integrated' thereby giving the young the chance to appreciate and understand each other. Not rocket science is it!! Too late is the cry? Rubbish. It is never to late to use common sense. As for the rest - we shall have to live with the consequences.

Thanks for that explanation, Poppy, and, sorry about the situation. Have you considered retiring to the seaside?

Sorry you find my writing style a bit pompous, Charly. I appreciate it isn't easy to 'retire to the seaside', there is a lot to consider, finance, health and family etc., but, putting myself in the situation as described, it's what I would be thinking about .

Cyfrifia, I would love to retire to the seaside yes, but as Charly pointed out, there is no way I can afford to. I bought this property 9 years ago following a divorce, I knew the area wasn't exactly 'up market' but it was what I could afford and, I bought my property without having to take on a mortgage... a plus factor for sure. I visited the local area 4 times at different times in the day to 'get a feel of the area' before I made my purchase and, I can honestly say that the area was never this bad and remained that way for the first 3 years, and then the rot set in ......

Also, I love the house itself and I have spent a lot of money on it, including the garden, and so have several of my neigbbours on theirs. Speaking of which, I have some great neighbours (counts for a lot) and the problems are not specifically related to this row, apart from the one at the end (with the chickens) and the one next door to that, with a rogue family in it. Another house is empty at the present and the remainder seem owned by responsible home owners. The detritus we are surrounded by is a big problem, some created by tenants in rented properties that attract a high turnover of dubious tenants, because the landlords are basically letting out sub-standard properties that no-one else would consider renting. The Police raided one of these properties last week and found 9 men in one of these rented properties, 4 of them illegals...I think that sums up the mindset of some of these landlords.

Then of course, there are the drug dealers....lured to the area because of some seclusion, we sit on a back road with a wooded area behind us and so they feel free from prying eyes.

Yes, Poppy, I can follow the story you tell. The change in your neighbourhood is something I've seen similar, not as extreme. If you decide you can't move, you can't, but, it does need thinking through. I've seen people make a similar move to escape a problem neighbourhood, it's worked out well for them, and they wish they'd done it sooner, but it's all down to individual circumstances.

Despite speaking to Steven Pyke (RMBC) and e-mailing Daalat Ali, Shakil Ahmed and Ghulam Shazad (the latter 2 making all the right noises but doing nothing) the filthy mattresses (4 of them) and bags of soiled nappies and several other mounds of household rubbish behind properties near to me still remain (now into the 4th week) and have been regularly added to over this period of time.

Seeing a newly dumped bag of rubbish this evening, I managed to retrieve some paperwork with a name and address, telephone number etc of one the offenders (presumably)?

I rang the call centre number and have given details, they have said they will contact me to pick up the paperwork ..... which just so happens to be associated with a RMBC employee.....so tired of listening to platitudes, lets see how long they take to deal with this now?

Poppyanna555 wrote:Despite speaking to Steven Pyke (RMBC) and e-mailing Daalat Ali, Shakil Ahmed and Ghulam Shazad (the latter 2 making all the right noises but doing nothing) the filthy mattresses (4 of them) and bags of soiled nappies and several other mounds of household rubbish behind properties near to me still remain (now into the 4th week) and have been regularly added to over this period of time.

Seeing a newly dumped bag of rubbish this evening, I managed to retrieve some paperwork with a name and address, telephone number etc of one the offenders (presumably)?

I rang the call centre number and have given details, they have said they will contact me to pick up the paperwork ..... which just so happens to be associated with a RMBC employee.....so tired of listening to platitudes, lets see how long they take to deal with this now?

Poppy, might be an idea to take a photo. A picture paints a 1000 words. If you do, post it here and ask people to share it. Let's get it posted it on FB and tweeted. I would also video the chickens etc.