Re: Serious Case Review (SCR) Rochdale.

cyfrifia Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:22 pm

The recent Rochdale Council Internal Review can be googled, and is available to be downloaded from the internet, but. It is not to be shared without the expressed permission of the Chair of the Safeguarding Childrens Board, so, although I have read it, I cannot share it with you. Cool

Guest Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:04 pm

The board has made the review available on-line, hence there is no problem linking to it:

http://www.rbscb.org/CSE2.pdf

cyfrifia Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:47 pm

Is the tide turning, will Rochdale start to be a much safer place for vulnerable children? We know from what the police have said that there were a lot more men involved in the Rochdale 'grooming' gangs than ever came to court. Those people are presumably still around, so just putting a few in jail will not solve the problem.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1595608_new-rochdale-childrens-services-boss-backs-calls-for-stronger-jail-terms-for-child-grooming

Guest Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:21 pm

cyfrifia wrote:The recent Rochdale Council Internal Review can be googled, and is available to be downloaded from the internet, but. It is not to be shared without the expressed permission of the Chair of the Safeguarding Childrens Board, so, although I have read it, I cannot share it with you.

Cyfrifia: The report you refer to above is just one that was provided by the Safeguarding Board and has been 'openly' available, like it's predecessor was. Perhaps the number of different posts on the subject has caused a little bit of confusion.

The 'pending' (overdue) review is a separate Rochdale Council report that RMBC'S Chief Exec commissioned. There seem to have been delays against the original time quoted for it's publication, following some controversy that it would be released to the public in a summary style.

cyfrifia Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:59 pm

A recent Ofsted report of R.M.B.C. arrangements for the protection of children, inspection 12th to 21st November 2012, says, amongst other things -

"Overall effectiveness is inadequate."
"Leadership and governance are inadequate."

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/local_authority_reports/rochdale/050_Inspection%20of%20local%20authority%20arrangements%20for%20the%20protection%20of%20children%20as%20pdf.pdf

Guest Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:15 pm

The result of the 10-day Ofsted inspection held only last month was reported on today’s TV news as well : ‘Rochdale council is still not doing enough to protect children and young people, a critical government report has concluded.’

Rochdale News | Council Watch | Council child protection 'inadequate', says Ofsted report - Rochdale Online

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/127/council-watch/76402/council-child-protection-inadequate-says-ofsted-report

We still keep hearing those tired old platitude of "lessons will be learned."

cyfrifia Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:10 pm

According to the evidence Roger Ellis gave, Ofsted inspections of Rochdale childrens services did not pick up problems in the past, which makes Ofsted look a bit irrelevant.

We hope there will be real improvement and high standards after all the national scandal, but, Rochdale Childrens services were apparently in such a state of malfunction, it will need a lot of work to make it good.

Q368 Steve McCabe: I will just ask two questions. Was there no external inspection of Children’s Services during this period? Presumably that gets reported to the chief executive?
Roger Ellis: Yes. There were three Ofsted inspections, 2009, 2010, 2011.
Q369 Steve McCabe: None of those indicated any problem with the level of service at all?
Roger Ellis: There were some issues in the reports, and one of the things that we did as a result of the 2009 inspection was to increase the resources available to Children’s Social Care by £1 million.
Q370 Steve McCabe: What sort of things did they flag up?
Roger Ellis: Ofsted inspect process, they inspect files.
Steve McCabe: I know what they do.
Roger Ellis: They review how the organisation is working. They raised some issues about procedures.
Q371 Steve McCabe: But they did not raise anything that caused you any -
Roger Ellis: There was no mention of child sexual exploitation in any of those reports.

Guest Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:38 pm

There were contradictions at the subsequent Committee meeting(s) and it isn't just Ofsted's historic inspection reports that might have had bearing. In example, Ofsted received no reply to their repeated mail sent into RMBC asking to be supplied with a relevant contact name for "information exchange purposes."

The Care Commission Inspections that took place included representatives from HMIC and there could be a risk, again, of only looking here at Rochdale Children's Services, when several public sector bodies were undisputedly jointly liable.

cyfrifia Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:21 pm

Mojo Hill wrote:
Ofsted received no reply to their repeated mail sent into RMBC asking to be supplied with a relevant contact name for "information exchange purposes."

One of the problems with children's services was (maybe still is), a poor understanding of the legal implications of sharing information. Perhaps that's why these letters didn't get a reply.

Guest Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:19 pm

cyfrifia wrote:One of the problems with children's services was (maybe still is), a poor understanding of the legal implications of sharing information. Perhaps that's why these letters didn't get a reply.

BULL , and about the letter speculation above, the reason given by RMBC, and reported on, was said to be 'owing to historic re-organisations and various personnel changes.'

In September 2003, a 15-year-old vulnerable girl died from a heroin overdose after being groomed for sex in Rochdale. In the run up to her death, police were asked to look for her on five occasions. On the night she died, she was seen to be picked up by a car occupied and driven by Asian (witnesses’ description) men.

The trial of a local man in June 2004 paid trifling reference to the young girl, who was very briefly reported to have developed a drink and drug habit and subsequently turned to prostitution; sounds familiar?

A 51 year-old-man, Yakoob, was originally charged with manslaughter, but the charge was dropped. After discussions with both the police and the CPS, it had been decided to accept pleas tendered by this male of Sussex Street, Rochdale: He admitted two offences of injecting the girl with heroin at his flat before she died and was sentenced for a paltry three-and-a-half years.

In August this year, Rochdale council chief executive Jim Taylor said the authority is reviewing a decade’s worth of notes to see if early warning signs of child sex grooming were ignored, and a resulting public report was expected in the autumn … following the published September review issued by Rochdale’ Safeguarding Children Board. The authority’s own report is either being withheld or repetitively delayed.

To wind up, the Prime Minister David Cameron had warned, in response to Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk, that he could call an independent serious case review if the council’s own report failed to deal with the issues. Time’s up.

cyfrifia Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:43 pm

Mojo Hill wrote:A 51 year-old-man, Yakoob, was originally charged with manslaughter, but the charge was dropped. After discussions with both the police and the CPS, it had been decided to accept pleas tendered by this male of Sussex Street, Rochdale: He admitted two offences of injecting the girl with heroin at his flat before she died and was sentenced for a paltry three-and-a-half years.

Correction. This is not the same Yakoob, it's another Yakoob.
http://mancunianmatters.co.uk/content/20043098-heroin-and-crack-cocaine-dealer-yak-ordered-pay-back-over-%C2%A3100000-drug-money

Guest Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:23 pm

cyfrifia wrote:

Is this the same Yakoob ?
http://mancunianmatters.co.uk/content/20043098-heroin-and-crack-cocaine-dealer-yak-ordered-pay-back-over-%C2%A3100000-drug-money

What an imprudent question to post. It reads like you've just put the name into a search engine, resulting in an unconnected crime that you then quote. Take care, otherwise readers could get the impression you're a (closet) racist.

How the blue blazes can a 48-year-old Rochdale drug dealer in court in 2010 be the same man as a 51-year-old on trial in 2004 ?

There are numerous grooming cases that people who both live and work in Rochdale are aware of and the subject must not be left unforgotten, nor sensationalised by banal speculations.

The authorities have blood on their hands, colloquially interpreted if that's all folk can stomach. To repeat, TIME IS UP.

The Warts and All reports have not materialised and the agencies' decisions to roll them forward into yet another year do the borough and its children a chronic disservice. Trust and confidence have not been corroborated.

Guest Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:00 pm

Extracts from MEN feature of 28 January 2013

The Council’s own review into child grooming in Rochdale has been delayed for a second time: -

Fury of MP as Rochdale ‘grooming’ probe is delayed

Rochdale council bosses launched a probe in June 2012 after it was found social workers ignored repeated cries for help from abuse victims. A consultant was hired to interview current and former staff to find out what went wrong – and who should face disciplinary action.

She was due to report back in November but the final verdict was delayed until this month. It has been put back again – until March.

Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk has now warned the public is losing confidence in the town hall.

The inquiry was ordered last May after nine men were jailed for plying young girls with drink in order to sexually abuse them. After the case, council leader Colin Lambert said the victims had been let down. Since then a damning safeguarding board report, released in September 2012, highlighted a string of ‘deficiencies’ in the way services handled victims' reports. In December 2012 Ofsted inspectors classed the department as ‘inadequate’ – and therefore still failing children.

Council chiefs defended the delay in the inquiry, saying it was unavoidable. But Mr Danzcuk said it is now time the council got its house in order.

He said: “This is getting embarrassing for the council and the leader needs to get a grip. “It’s now four months since a damning report revealed that child protection services ignored young girls’ cries for help and for all the council’s tough talk of taking disciplinary action they still haven’t acted.”

WHAT IS NOT GOING ON ? WHY ARE PEOPLE SILENT? Evil or Very Mad

I'M DISGUSTED AT THIS 'LATEST' DELAY. POLICE SERVICE ACCOUNTABILITY IS ALSO DUE.

Hinch Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:05 pm

The mantra I keep hearing direct from various horses mouths, is that RMBC can actually be the leaders here in facing up to and dealing with these difficult issues.

They still hope to do this by denying any cultural, racial or faith factors of course. This is just crime... remember!

No rocking of boats or compromise of our idyllic cultural hegemony required or welcome.

For blind eye and telescope, please apply to RMBC or the Late Horatio Nelson. (RN. Retd.)

Guest Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:29 pm

Hinch wrote:The mantra I keep hearing direct from various horses mouths, is that RMBC can actually be the leaders here in facing up to and dealing with these difficult issues.

They still hope to do this by denying any cultural, racial or faith factors of course. This is just crime... remember!

No rocking of boats or compromise of our idyllic cultural hegemony required or welcome. For blind eye and telescope, please apply to RMBC or the Late Horatio Nelson. (RN. Retd.)

Report to: RMB Cabinet Date: Monday 18th March 2013

Extract

3.2 The Director of Safeguarding and Executive Director, Children’s Services have met with leaders of Rochdale Council of Mosques to discuss CSE and the impact on the communities they serve. It was agreed there would be mutual benefits from a collaborative arrangement between the Council of Mosques and Rochdale Council and in particular, the Sunrise Team. A number of possibilities will be explored further, including working more closely with the Madrassah’s and Mosques to cascade learning and awareness raising and supporting a “media strategy” to pledge support for a “standing against CSE in Rochdale” campaign.

Strategic exploration then ?

Hinch Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:48 pm

I am sure my bosses would support a media strategy but how RMBC would go about this when they pride themselves on not talking to us is anyone's guess. Perhaps it will be a silent, invisible strategy?

As for stronger, collaborative links with the mosques and madrassas, I thought the mantra was that this was just 'ordinary'' crime? This makes it look as if they suspect some sort of racial or cultural link.

All very baffling MJH. Quite beyond my Grouse-sozzled brain.

Perhaps they need to appoint some more community leaders to coordinate this vital work?

Guest Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:00 pm

17.03.13 Forum banner News: Mystic Meg says result of Grooming Inquiry 'may be due soon possibly'

Report to: RMB Cabinet Date: Monday 18th March 2013

Extracts

3.5 Serious Case Reviews (SCRs)

The LSCB has agreed there should be SCRs on five victims of CSE.
These are underway and it is anticipated these will be due for completion and publication in September/October 2013.

3.8 Independent Review:

An independent review of CSE in Rochdale was commissioned in June 2012 by the Chief Executive. This review has considered all aspects of the Council’s and the LSCB’s historic and current approach to dealing with CSE. The report is due to be finalised and published in February 2013.

Dear Mystic Meg: The SCR completion time of Sept/Oct 2013 now documented to Cabinet is a year after the Local Safeguarding Children’s Board confirmed that a SCR would take place. It is 18 months after Crown Court convictions of 9 offenders, and over a decade after a national paper indicated that police and social workers failed to tackle the issue of such men grooming under-aged girls in Rochdale.

Contradictions about the council’s own review date seem pervasive.

' √-box ' actions before publications perhaps .... Crystal Ball or mothball ?

Hinch Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:08 pm

You are right MJH, we need to be more patient.

Perhaps if we had more Muslim councillors it may help RMBC to get to the heart of the matter.

If lessons really do need to be learned, it might be better to wait until those chaps come out of prison in order to participate?

Hinch Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:54 am

Excellent stuff. This is an ideal way to demonstrate that we are a strong, united community with no underlying tensions or divisions.

http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/78930/pakistani-flagraising

I only hope that Rochdalians turned out in their thousands to celebrate this glorious day.

cyfrifia Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:39 am

Is this flying of the flag on the town hall a widespread thing for Pakistan day, or, is it just Rochdale?

Hinch Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:22 pm

So, according to news reports, men clearly identified by victims were never charged and are on the loose. Response from GMP? ”It's been a complicated case."

This is Rochdale.

johnb Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:56 pm

I'm sure the persecuted minority Pakistan Christians will feel god about this demonstration off religious dogma.

Atlas Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:40 am

Did I see the Welsh flag flying on St Davids Day then?? Must have missed it.

Hinch Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:12 am

Yes, I think it was. A lovely green and white flag Tell me Atlas, when did they replace the red dragon with a white crescent and star? Is it summat to do with devolution?

Guest Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:26 am

Hinch wrote:This is Rochdale.

and this is serious

26 March 2013

BBC News - Rochdale grooming case 'failed to use witness evidence'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21925205

* BBC News - Why I resigned over 'abuse failures'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21925461

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