Re: Serious Case Review (SCR) Rochdale.

Hinch Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:12 pm

Possibly due to a simple oversight due to pressure of work Mojo?

I don't know why they don't just come clean but that's the RMBC way I suppose. Pity we have to rely on leaks to find out this sort of thing.

Just found out that Shergar is stabled under the Town Hall but council say they can't discuss it because of the Data Protection Act.

Guest Sun May 05, 2013 12:30 pm

‘Sort child care out – or we will’ town hall told

The government will step in and run Rochdale's children's social care services team if the town hall fails to turn its performance around.

A spokesperson for the council said an improvement board, demanded by the government, had already been set up.

RMBC Executive Director of Children’s Services summarises areas, and their ‘tremendous progress.’ : -
04 May 2013 http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/sort-child-care--out-3407787

Any doubts that this topic would have even been insipidly reported by the Trinity Mirror group, if RO Council Watch hadn’t first raised the news last month about the Government’s Improvement Notice ?

Still waiting for the long-overdue RMBC internal report of their 10 years' full investigation
Still waiting for the IPCC report of a 2008 police situation
Still waiting for the long-overdue independent SCR.

Hinch Sun May 05, 2013 2:16 pm

Be fair to them MJH, they're still using a hot-metal system and skilled typesetters are hard to find these days.

Many thanks again to my source on this very important issue.

Scoop!

Hinch Wed May 15, 2013 6:06 am

I see seven Asian groomers got found guilty in Oxford yesterday in a case very similar to Rochdale's.

Their Head of Social Services is predictably refusing to stand down.

Hinch Wed May 15, 2013 8:28 am

Chief Constable has just been on promising ' lessons will be learned.

Hope RMBC are charging for this coaching.

Spartacus Wed May 15, 2013 9:41 am

Just been reading about the dreadful case in Oxford.

It's quite clear, for those willing to see, that these gangs are operating in a similar style throughout the country. They are also operating in the same style throughout Europe. They have been operating in this way for decades.

It is great to see the police and CPS have at last taken action against them and prosecutions have been successful. I want to know why it has taken so long to act when they have obviously known about it all along. Why have they failed the children involved. Does every child matter or only those who the authorities decide are worth protecting?

Hinch Wed May 15, 2013 9:47 am

One of the kids went missing from her council-run home a hundred and odd times within a few months yet still sod all was done.

WTF!!!!

Hinch Wed May 15, 2013 9:55 am

Some VERY harrowing accounts from the victims:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21445538

Branding, primitive abortion, gang rapes, gagging, assaults with metal baseball bats etc.

What utter, despicable bastards!

No doubt at the SCR, no evidence relating to race, culture or religion will be heard.

Spartacus Wed May 15, 2013 10:04 am

Hinch wrote:One of the kids went missing from her council-run home a hundred and odd times within a few months yet still sod all was done.

WTF!!!!

I understand that every time a child in care "goes missing" (albeit for only a couple of hours) a form has to be completed and sent to the police. I also understand that care workers are diligent in following this procedure. The majority of victims in the Rochdale case were NOT in the care system. However, a small number were. It would be interesting to learn how many forms our local police received involving these children and how many times they took any action.

Hinch Wed May 15, 2013 10:06 am

http://northernvoicesmag.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/sexual-grooming-yesterday-today.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+northernvoices+(Northern+Voices)

Meanwhile, back in our beloved borough...

cyfrifia Wed May 15, 2013 10:43 am

Hinch wrote:Some VERY harrowing accounts from the victims:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21445538

Branding, punitive abortion, rapes, assaults with metal baseball bats etc.

What utter, despicable bastards!

No doubt at the SCR, no evidence relating to race, culture or religion will be heard.

What sort of country and society are we living in now? The news is literally sickening.

Hinch Wed May 15, 2013 10:58 am

Bradford always seems to get mentioned. What are the West Yorkshire Police doing about it? It seems that there are loads of brothels and crack dens operating there.

With police intelligence being so highly sophisticated these days, it seems hard to accept that these places can operate unnoticed over long time periods in this way. Does the Dibble not notice dozens of young, drunken or drugged up, under age white girls being brought into these areas followed by gangs of groomers from across the country?

Do the neighbours not notice or hear the screams or are they just regarded as 'white trash'?

Does nobody give a flying ****?????

This is not a 'lifestyle choice. It is prostitution, paedophilia, kidnapping, illegal abortion, very serious assault bordering on attempted murder.

Guest Wed May 15, 2013 10:57 pm

Hinch wrote:Some VERY harrowing accounts from the victims:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21445538

Branding, primitive abortion, gang rapes, gagging, assaults with metal baseball bats etc.

What utter, despicable bastards!

No doubt at the SCR, no evidence relating to race, culture or religion will be heard.

It's nauseating. The Deputy Children's Commissioner has already, emphatically, given the subject a 'generic' offender label, but she did slip a little bit, verbally, by briefly mentioning that some cultural "facets" may be looked at further: -

BBC iPlayer - Newsnight: 14/05/2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01sjjw3/Newsnight_14_05_2013/

The public prosecutor seemed a bit subdued on the programme, but we had 'Rochdale's own' Mohammed Shafiq back on stage and Imam Yasdani from Bradford contributed by video link.

Still, there's been yet another Conference held today about CSE, so that will likely be recorded as one of Rochdale's actions against grooming. Now Operation Bullfinch has concluded with a high-profile media trial result in another part of the country, perhaps the outstanding cases in Rochdale will now be pursued, and even reported on.

Hinch Thu May 16, 2013 7:24 am

Announced today that Operation Bullfinch is to be renamed: Operation Bullshit.

cyfrifia Thu May 16, 2013 9:24 am

Newsquote: Five of the six victims were abused while in the care of Oxfordshire County Council social services. But the council's chief executive Joanna Simons, who has been in her post since 2005, says she will not resign. "There is going to be an independent serious case review which will look at the actions of all the agencies concerned," she said. "These are devious crimes that are very complicated."

http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/53027/oxford-grooming-gang-raped-and-beat-girls-young-11#ixzz2TRRs0WS0

What would seem to be very complicated, is the attitude and mindset that has allowed this intensely destructive crime to go on 'with impunity' for many years.

Dalelad Thu May 16, 2013 2:12 pm

I did hear an expert on the radio yesterday saying that unlike Rotherham Council, which has done little, Rochdale Council has faced up to the failings the grooming case highlighted and is doing a good job of sorting them, which is a small bit of good news.

Hinch Thu May 16, 2013 5:05 pm

Never mind the new committees, changing of names on a few doors and the mumbling of platitudes, the acid-test is can this be prevented from happening again?

I am also disturbed by a lack of complete openness. Why are key documents not being disclosed such as the Improvement Notice served on RMBC by the Secretary of State? (As exclusively revealed on RO.)

I am also deeply concerned that some people in key positions are still denying any cultural link. This was explored on R4 this morning. Apart from Muhammed Shafiq and one or two others, the mantra still seems generally to be that this is 'ordinary' sex crime with any 'unhelpful' racial or cultural connotations being swiftly hoofed under the carpet to the accompaniment of a few embarrassed coughs.

Guest Thu May 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Back on the home front, I’ve gone into a "Smoke and Mirrors" gloom after, unusually, buying a copy of yesterday’s local ‘rag,’ with it’s story lines about the Rochdale grooming case and apparent quotes about local people’s confidence and even depiction of justice seen.

Distractions, deviations, delays and shared Establishment ‘silences’ appear to have successfully muddied the waters, to the point that many folk have forgotten earlier years’ trials involving Rochdale offenders and child victims, forgotten the arrests made shortly after last year’s trial, forgotten the promises of other local suspects’ pending custody status and robust actions ...

Perhaps one of the saddest bye products is the blasé, stereotype terms now used to describe the victims, with monotonous sound bites of their alleged ‘chaotic’ backgrounds, or being in care. ----- No, there’s also history of victims from tidy backgrounds, and fostered children also come under an oft bogeyman ‘label’ of in care. At least two parents and one victim repeatedly asked for help or complained to the police in the recent Oxford trial of a group of seven men convicted as groomers/rapists and horrifying abusers.

Sad

Perhaps if the powers-that-be focus more attention on the offenders and stimulate transparent, honest communications with all sectors of the public, these vile crimes can efficiently become eradicated.

Hinch Sat May 18, 2013 10:07 am

The mighty crash of stable doors being firmly bolted by GMP. Now where's that bloody horse?

http://northernvoicesmag.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/manchester-police-warns-child-sex.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+northernvoices+(Northern+Voices)

Charly Sat May 18, 2013 12:56 pm

They had a conference to mark the anniversary?

Greater Manchester Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood this week gave a warning to child sex abusers at a conference in Middleton to mark the first anniversary of the jailing of a Rochdale grooming ring.

They would have done better getting their fingers out and getting on with the flipping job!
Sounds like they're patting themselves on the back Mad

Hinch Sat May 18, 2013 3:20 pm

I believe a good lunch was served but 'humble pie' was not on the menu.

cyfrifia Sat May 18, 2013 11:51 pm

Apologies and humble pie are not so relevant as a more general and realistic understanding of the type of dangers that some children, generally girls and generally from age about 11 upwards, face now.

Anyone, whether policeman, social worker, politician or a worried parent or freind can expect to be called 'racist' at some, probably several times during any investigation of this type of crime, but, that's par for the course. Words change meaning quite quickly, 'racist' might soon come to mean 'responsible and concerned person'. That would be well bad innit.

Charly Sun May 19, 2013 2:40 am

Thursday at 9pm on Channel 4 'The hunt for Britains sex gangs' follows Telford police in Operation Chalice which was to become the biggest child sex abuse case in the UK
I bet Rochdales case isn't far behind.

Guest Sun May 19, 2013 11:35 am

Charly wrote:Thursday at 9pm on Channel 4 'The hunt for Britains sex gangs' follows Telford police in Operation Chalice which was to become the biggest child sex abuse case in the UK
I bet Rochdales case isn't far behind.

The convicted men were tried separately and jailed last year, but reporting restrictions had also been put in place owing to a potential re-trial of another suspect. ----- Five of the men pleaded guilty to charges they faced prior to the start of their trials and were jailed for between two-and-a-half and seven years. Details of previous hearings involving the seven men have been reported, but the cases could not be linked until Operation Chalice was quietly closed on 10 May 2013.

West Mercia Police said more than 100 young girls, some as young as 13, could have been targeted specifically by the Telford group between 2007 and 2009. Operation Chalice: Child sex abuse case concludes; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-22379414

Reporting of the Telford trials was buried by the media fanfare surrounding the Operation Bullfinch jury retiring to consider the heinous sexual exploitation charges against the seven men from Oxford.

The nine defendants were sentenced for a total of 77 years in the 2012 Rochdale grooming trial.

It was reported this week that Rochdale Council’s own review has been delayed, once again.

cyfrifia Sun May 19, 2013 12:15 pm

Mojo Hill wrote:The nine defendants were sentenced for a total of 77 years in the 2012 Rochdale grooming trial.

9x77= 693 prison years, and that's just one case. If these prosecutions around the country continue to be successful, it will add up to a lot of men in prison for a lot of years. If recent comment in the media about New Labour opening the UK borders to uncontrolled immigration as a political ploy is the real story, the social and economic result is coming home to roost. Like chickens.

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